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Season 5 Health & Fitness Creativity

When the worlds of art and athleticism intersect, extraordinary things happen. Just ask Jeremy Gruensteiner, an artist and athlete who's crafted a life at this crossroads, encompassing everything from music production to Olympic weightlifting coaching. He sits down with me today to share his journey, offering a treasure trove of insights on how the disciplines of sports have profound implications for the arts and vice versa – all while navigating the complexities of authenticity and minimalism.
Key Takeaways:

  • How music can alter your mood, pump you up, or even soothe your nerves 
  • The impact of music on athletic performance and how different genres can shift an athlete's focus
  • We reminisce about the punk and emo scenes of the music industry
  • We tackle the transformative nature of health and fitness through personal stories of reinvention and triumph over unhealthy habits
  • The transition to appreciating the authenticity in performance
  • How to navigate the distraction-ridden world we live in


Jeremy's minimalist approach to music — shedding the excess gear for a purer sound — mirrors the journey towards focused living and performance enhancement, something we could all use a "note or two" on.

Tune in, yo.

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Find Jeremy on Insta @weirdandstrong and Facebook here.
Check out his Podcast, Weird and Strong
Learn more about him and how to work with him at weirdandstrong.com

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Special thanks to everyone who's helped along the way and has believed in me. I do this all on my own and if you feel so inclined to give back, donations are welcomed. Paypal.me/miketheschwartz

This production has been brought to you by Music Fit Collective
Intro Photography and Videography by Mudge Music
Video Editing by K. Browne Productions LLC
Theme Song: "Head Down//Heart Up" by Adrian Chalifour

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Chapters

00:03 - Health, Wellness, Music, and Athletes

13:43 - The Impact of Music on Performance

20:29 - Personal Transformation Through Health and Fitness

38:54 - Finding Fun and Reducing Conflict

48:28 - Navigating Self-Reflection and Communication

59:21 - Navigating Victimhood and Personal Growth

01:05:31 - Music, Movement, and Creativity

01:15:47 - Finding Success Through Self Reflection

Transcript
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Have you ever thought of yourself as an athlete?

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Maybe you are an athlete, Maybe you're an artist and you're thinking that's weird Artist Athlete.

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What a weird proposition.

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And what if Our guest today, Jeremy Grunsteiner?

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He shares how he does that with his weird and strong family, the weird side being the artists, the strong side being the athletes.

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And I imagine you're going to get a lot out of that if you start treating whatever it is that you do with a bit more athletic protocol.

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Now you know what time it is.

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Let's do this thing, let's do this thing.

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I hit buttons because you know we're going to hit some gold here don't save all the gold when the button isn't pressed.

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It happens so often yeah there's so much crossover lessons that come through from being an athlete training athletes, being an entrepreneur, being a musician training musicians, all of those things Like there's there's multiple crossover points that come through with all of that.

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Perfect, dude, cool.

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Oh my goodness, ladies and gentlemen, oh my goodness, ladies and gentlemen, we've got the.

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I want to say that we've got the rock on the show here today and we did one better.

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We've got Jeremy Grunsteiner, my favorite name, to say all the time Welcome back to the show.

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A new addition here, Jer.

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How are you doing today, dude?

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I'm doing fantastic, man.

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Thanks for having me.

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It's always a yeah, I got little chills.

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I'm like, oh man, that threw me back to like ninth grade high school.

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Like watching pro wrestling every Monday night, yeah.

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Yeah, dude, I found that and I'm like, oh yeah, there's going to be a time and a place, and I found it.

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Would you find them, especially magic moments?

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yeah, I want to, I want to dive in.

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Man, I want to dive in and, um, I like setting things up, but, uh, you know, with being coaches, both of us setting the tone, so much of it comes down to gratitude and I'd love to know, um, there's been a lot of change, things are are cycling through, so I'd love to, I'd love to hear what has been the coolest bit of the start of the new year here for you so far.

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The coolest part has been it's carried in from even the end of last year is something that I never thought would be exciting for me, which is working with teenagers, and it's been a blast.

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I realize more and more, so much, that I am still just an overgrown teenager.

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There's a bit from one of my favorite comedians, dylan Moran, where he talks about you're not an adult.

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None of us are really adults, you're just an overgrown child holding a beer, having a conversation you don't really understand, and I feel like I resonate with the teens really well, just because I still view them as people and I didn't believe that that was something that would be possible.

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I thought there was going to be some sort of otherness, like I'm not a cool guy, I was never a cool kid and just the more that I show up, it gives me permission to show up and be myself, and the more that I'm myself, the more that they seem to like it, and the more that they seem to like it, the more I get to be myself, which is the coolest lesson that I didn't expect to learn when I walked into a high school weight room to show them how to lift heavy weights over their head.

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Yeah, right, like be yourself.

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Wait a minute.

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I thought this was probably an Arnold press, what?

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Wait, yeah, yeah.

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Exactly.

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Wait a minute.

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Yeah Well, I mean, that draws a really interesting look at one of the first questions I have for you here today, dude, because I know you and I both we dabble in both of the industries of health and wellness and music, and I'm very curious to see what do you see is trending the wrong way in the musician space regarding health, wellness, mental, physical, all of the above.

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Is there a big problem out there with regards to the music industry?

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Yeah, I mean that could be a podcast all in on its own.

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I grew up being mostly interested in music.

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I wasn't interested in anything physical, so wellness wasn't even on the radar for me for a good portion of my life, especially the times of my life where I've put most of my focus into being either creative as a musician, gigging as a musician, doing whatever I could to pursue that side of my life.

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There becomes, there's so many ways, as a musician, to distract yourself and there's so many ways that in that distraction that you, you're actually so distant from what you actually want.

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And I see this, I mean I see this come up for myself as a coach now and an entrepreneur, and all those, all those labels, multifaceted labels that we can put on top of this.

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But I, me, it came through so much as the distractions being you know how much can I drink in a show?

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Not necessarily how much it wasn't like pushing the limits there, but like when you're doing four-hour cover band gigs for bar bands and your job is really to sell beer.

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Yeah, it's easier to sell beer when you're drinking beer.

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Yeah absolutely, but like that type of thing or the constant chase towards gear.

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As much as I love gadgets and I love effects, pedals like I had the biggest possible pedal board that Pedaltrain makes it's.

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I think it's four feet long, so it's about a meter long it was.

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I think it was almost as tall as I like it's nuts.

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It's bigger.

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It was like a meter and a half, so it was huge and enormous.

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I filled it up with as much as I possibly could, completely impractical, constantly moving things around.

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I realized over time, like the pedal board I use now is this big?

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It's got five on it.

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It's a tuner, a compressor, like utilitarian things that help me sculpt my sound.

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Basically, they either stay on or they're there to accentuate the sound, not become the sound itself, which is a whole other thing too, and I love that time in my life because it allowed me to explore things.

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But I was so distracted away from making music and being creative.

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I spent more time rewiring my pedal board and being obsessed with this new, new drive pedal that would possibly give me this new.

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I wasn't writing music, I was so into the gear and so distracted from the things that I actually Possibly give me this new I wasn't writing music, I was so into the gear and so distracted from the things that I actually wanted to do, and I see this as currently in my face of business too.

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Excuse me Is that it's easy to get distracted by, like the social media trends trying to build the most perfect, like marketing automation, getting so hung up on the smallest details on my website.

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Some of those things are important, but reality is, can I continue to show up every day perfecting my craft and sitting with my craft as much as I can, versus working on everything around it?

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versus working on everything around it.

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Yeah, and it draws an interesting parallel to what we do.

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It's the same thing as a coach, right?

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All the things that you listed here are distractions in that world too, and I think it's having that accountability.

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And it was interesting you were talking about that utilitarian or minimalist approach.

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I was just watching a thing speaking of distractions.

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I was in my study mode because I found that I would go and I would be doing one project Maybe I'm producing a podcast or I'm listening back, doing some sort of a mix but I'm also watching something else.

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Now I've blocked that time off to be intentional about.

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Okay, this is actual study block.

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It's so much more effective.

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I was watching this thing with Phineas, with Billy's producer.

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He's got this thing.

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I think he termed it as invisible support.

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How interesting when we've got invisible support in our lives, like a sport network, like a social system that can really be in your corner as well, just as in music production, backing harmonies and just adding that little bit of oomph.

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Maybe it's a cello piece or a sub bass or something like that, a nice big 808 that just adds a little bit more kick for that what he terms as invisible support so that you're not getting distracted by all those.

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You've seen those big paintings where there's like 400 shades of the color but it all looks like a sunset, and that's an example that he uses.

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He's like I want my music to be like that.

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If you have to think I've lost.

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So I'd love to look at the parallel between the creation of music and being really subtle and having that support and just being really minimal.

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With the work that you get to do with these athletes, these teens, I imagine you being a support system like them in that social.

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It's got to be mind-blowing.

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You even opened it up with like that wasn't what I was expecting.

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So it's like what kind of cool experiences do you get to have with these teams that are teaching you stuff that you thought you had already known?

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Well, and that's I love what you I was, so right before we jumped onto this.

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I was, so I begin my days pretty early, which is rough.

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When I'm gigging, I'm a 4 am wake-up type of person, wow, and when the gigs go to 4 am, it's kind of rough.

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But that's I was.

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I needed a little recharge.

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So I sat in a yoga nidra practice and this, this exact concept, was coming to me.

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I was thinking about this.

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I was like invisible support from the people around me.

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I was like, can I hire my friends and coaches around me to act as that invisible continually create that network of people around me?

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So it was super cool that you brought that up and also to your point of of working with teens and athletes.

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Um, it's so, just like I talked about with the pedals and the equipment and the whatever, chasing a trend, things like that, especially as a coach in the physical world, in wellness, you know, we, we don't have a problem with information anymore.

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No, like, there's so much information.

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There's more information than any one person can parse at this point of like human history.

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And I'm not even gonna like I don't, I'm not even gonna act like.

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I can remember the statistics that neil patel talks about how many, how much content is is produced every hour in the internet.

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It's, it's absurd how much content and produced every hour in the internet.

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It's absurd how much content.

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And so we're bombarded with all of this.

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We're bombarded with so many options, and especially options that chase towards optimal.

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Which is what does that actually mean?

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What is that actually for?

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Optimal for who?

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Optimal for what?

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Optimal for who?

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Optimal for what?

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And so one of the things that comes up fairly often in conversation is um, you know, coach, I want to get to this point, coach, I want to, like, make this qualification.

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I want to, uh, get to this meet.

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I want to look a certain way.

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Uh, I'm doing x, y and z.

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What more can I do?

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It always comes to more, more, more.

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Or hey, I'm doing this and this and this and this and this.

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What's wrong?

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Why am I not getting where I want to be?

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And it's been cool because even as an early coach, I tried to shove everything in, try to be the jack of all trades, master of none or master as many things as I possibly could.

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And that showed up for me in a big way over the past four months with this Back of all trades, master of none or master as many things as I possibly could.

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And that showed up for me in a big way over the past four months with this.

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And coming back to what is the minimum effective dose in this.

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I'm so glad you bring that up.

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That's huge because, especially as artists, the industry has a I like the phrase artistpreneur, right Entre-producer artistpreneur and a lot of the times in conversation it comes down to and this just came up at a music marketing thing the other night in town here and a gentleman, older gentleman, 55 plus, new on the scene.

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He's like, yeah, but how do I make the music?

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What do I start with?

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Because I got this tick tick and this IG and this Facebook and this tick face and like he's just listing all these things.

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He has no idea and you can just hear the apprehension of him even wanting to pursue music.

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So what dangers do we risk when we go into this distraction mode of having to be everything and, as you said, setting up all these things around us instead of working on the final craft, which is like make a killer song and build the invisible support and let it take care of itself.

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But if you're not focusing on the song, what the hell is the use of having all this other stuff right?

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Can you speak to that?

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Did that ever come into your life as an artist?

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oh yeah, absolutely like, um, the thing that comes to mind so much is you know me starting off.

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You know I was grew up in really loving punk music.

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Really, uh, being in that phase of life of I used to call myself a swoopy-eared emo kid, like that gothy rocky, like there was a lot of like.

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Even if the music was simplistic, there was a lot of theatrics to it and I always like craved more and more theatrics.

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When I was younger, especially as an artist, like ended up in like an industrial band where we were doing everything possible with this stuff and it's still fun from time to time.

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And as I've gotten older, I like that stuff a lot less because it it it starts to show, it starts to show me of like how much that does distract me from showing up, being in the groove, being in the pocket actually like expressing and and being in the pocket actually expressing and ensuring that the music is conveying what the audience wants to hear, actually bringing the feeling to it, rather than playing the notes on the page or playing what I'm supposed to play Maybe I'm speaking this from the cover band perspective a lot of like being too much of a human jukebox and not really playing the song and allowing it to be.

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Allowing it to be what it is, or allowing it to be what it is in the moment, being a lot more free with that.

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It's like you know, the greatest light show in the world isn't going to make unfun music fun right, yeah, yeah because.

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Yeah, because I mean, if you're sitting there and I've had a couple songs like that where it just hits and then you're just like immediately low vibe, you're just like whoa.

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And for a long time I grew up, you know, when we opened up with the Rock, I'm like, yeah, I grew up with that kind of stuff where it was like, coming in, hot man, You'd come in and our walk-up jams and I was largely responsible.

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So kudos to me.

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I was the DJ from the time that I can remember with the hockey teams and we would have Limp, biscuit, korn, incubus, linkin Park, all the heaviest, heaviest and victimed music and it's a wonder we even played.

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How does that stuff amp us up?

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And that might be a good direction.

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I was going to save that for a little bit later.

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But like, what relation does that have when you're working with athletes?

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Do you work in a facility or you work in one-on-one with these people?

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Are they listening to music?

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Are they listening to head trash or what's?

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What's the scoop there?

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So we scoop there, so we mix it up a bit.

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So we're in a high school, so obviously we can't just like let put Limp Bizkit Break stuff on the gosh darn poopy no-nos of the language.

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Oh darn, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And they want to listen to things that they listen to on a daily basis, because my relationship in coaching them is still new and so we're working into the words and the stories and how that affects us.

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But I like to sprinkle in some frequency-minded music, and I love it because if we're going for a couple of days we're playing like the clean classic rock playlist where it's just kind of just old school Allman Brothers or something for a while, and then all of a sudden there is just some frequencies in the background.

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It's fun to watch how long it takes them to actually realize that they're not listening.

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They're not listening to music that they know, or they're not listening to music that they would necessarily classify as as music.

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It's like oh, this is kind of like weird noises, um so it is interesting to see that and watch how the room changes.

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Uh especially we're talking about teenagers is I noticed that the longer we go without interjecting some of that or going on a stretch with more frequency, minded music or things that are like keep people level headed.

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So we're talking about the sport of Olympic weightlifting highly technical movements.

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If they're getting too amped up all of a sudden the behavior gets out of control for some weird reason.

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If it's too much of a yeah if it's too poppy and it's too victim-y in a lot of ways, or it has that sort of vibe or energy to it.

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People start doing stuff that they wouldn't normally do.

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They start getting a lot less focused.

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They start dinking around with focused, they start, uh, dinking around with the rack mates next to them and before you know it, they're having a tug of war session with the barbell and like how did we get here?

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Yeah, yeah, dudes.

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Well, that's why I was making notes in here and I'm like, oh, I see how this is a through line, like we're just talking distractions.

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The biggest distraction can be music, regardless if you're in the weight gym, if you're lifting, if you're running, if you're doing anything, exercise it's when you're focused.

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One of the biggest things that I hear and tell me if you hear this in your camp as well is that this neurodivergence, this highly distracted society that we live in, do you think there's any relationship to the stuff that we're doing?

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Tiktok, 10 seconds of fame.

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Instagram is stretching it at 90 seconds.

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Right, people won't watch a full 90-second reel, are you kidding?

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And then we think about the activities that we're doing.

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They're all functional, right, and that's the purpose of the stuff that I create functional frequency, music.

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It's with a purpose, with intent.

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Any activity can be paired appropriately with music and that, right there, changes the game.

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As you just said, athletes are sitting around and they don't even realize that they're doing it, because it's no longer a distraction In the gym.

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The voices Back.

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When I was skating the best interview I ever gave I was so proud of this I had my headphones on or whatever, and they weren't on at this particular time and somebody always saw me with headphones, right, sounds like comes over like, hey, can I ask you a question?

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You've already got your headphones.

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What are you, what are you listening to?

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And I just look at them.

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I'm like my coach, like that's.

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Put the headphones back on.

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Get back to training, you know, because that's the important part if you've got so many different voices in your head as an athlete, or when you're sitting trying to focus on the.

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Sometimes they say they've got like 17 things on the go.

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I'm like, okay, but really how many do you have?

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If you're adding to that noise pollution?

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Yeah, exactly, it's usually like, well, I've got to do the laundry and then make some posts.

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Oh, so you really have two things to do?

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Yeah, 17.

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Let's talk a bit about that.

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Like where, how did you get into doing what you're doing?

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What do you do, typically in a one-on-one session with the folks that you get to work on?

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How did you get into it?

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Oh man, the story of how I got into it is fun and I love it.

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So for me, I originally wanted to be a musician.

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I wanted to be creative.

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I had so many people in my life artists that I looked up to growing up and realized that over time of like what that, what that needed to look like, and a lot of the musicians that I got to know personally were.

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They struggled a lot and I didn't come from a wealthy family at all.

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Um, went to school for music, went to, decided to change that up and went to school for theater for a bit and then started to think of what's my future actually going to be like?

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Studying this in university in the United States?

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Like this is a, this is a lot of money to invest in learning a craft of music and I'm not even sure where, what, why, where am I going with this?

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So took a detour into retail management, went back to school for music, and one thing that's been a through line in my life is I'm a big nerd.

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Like that's just.

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That's just who I am.

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Uh, the technology comes along with that.

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Built my first, you know, built computers for the school in high school types of things.

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Um and ended up working in the tech industry doing some music stuff on the side, being creative, trying to come up with these ideas.

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But music always took a back seat for me and it got to a point where I was very unhealthy because, again, I was not an athletic kid.

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I didn't touch a barbell until my 30s, which is wild for some people, especially now that I coach Olympic weightlifting.

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That's pretty wild man.

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Yeah, Kudos to you.

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No imposter syndrome here.

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Good work.

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And I was working.

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I got myself in the tech industry but had become very unhealthy with it.

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It was happy hours, happy hours returning to bar clothes Do that on a Thursday, a Friday, a Saturday and it got to a point where food and alcohol became my distraction from everything.

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Staying up hanging out with friends All right, what are we drinking tonight?

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What are we going to do?

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And it led me to be about 300 pounds, over 300 pounds.

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300 was about when I checked out and I stopped caring to look.

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And then I had the moment where I was sitting this is early days of telecommuting, where you know we're doing this now on a podcast, where that wasn't really something that was normal seven years ago Sitting next to my manager at the time, who is a very attractive man.

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He's a very male model, he's thin, he's got dark black hair, piercing blue eyes.

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If you know the cartoon Archer, he looks like a real-life version of Sterling Archer.

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No way, yeah, at that time.

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Strapping young lad.

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Oh yeah, Got it.

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And at that time I had really long hair.

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I'm 300 plus pounds, Shaggy hair, scruffy, and we're waiting.

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You see the preview of yourselves before.

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We got into Google Hangouts back in the day to talk to one of our engineers and the picture I saw.

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The thought that popped into my head was we look like Han Solo and Fat Chewbacca.

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I just got quiet and it was just.

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It's funny.

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This is why I have a mute button.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And like the other guy's's name, his name is also mike and every time he still he still laughs every time I tell this story and he hears me tell this story, uh, and like I didn't, I didn't like how that felt or how that looked and I was like I it's, I tried to do everything possible to lose weight without actually stepping foot in a gym.

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I tried to do everything possible to lose weight without actually stepping foot in a gym.

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Everything possible, every name of fat died.

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I've probably done it, maybe done it more than a few times.

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I, you know, tried to do the like p90x thing in the bat in like the, the old days and stuff.

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It got one day into it and burnt out and nope, yeah, uh, decided to join a gym.

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Uh, it was ended up being a crossfit gym, but that introduced me to the world of olympic weightlifting and saw a major transformation for myself, and I went crazy.

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I went the other way, you know, and traded all, all of the happy hours in for two-a-day training sessions, started training like I was an elite level athlete and the realization was that I realized that the thing I'm getting out of this is tired and, looking at the reason I did this was because I didn't like the person in the mirror.

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So then when I went so far into performance, I realized I still didn't like that person in the mirror.

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Yeah, that's a, that's a, that's a blow.

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And so then you start doing the up and down thing, yeah, and I realized, well, okay, perhaps what's missing is service to others, helping others.

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So, changed, my entire career started getting.

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I got certified as an olympic weightlifting.

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I started coaching at the CrossFit gym that I started at.

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That eventually turned into being director of operations for that gym, transforming what we were doing on a very holistic way of treating individuals with what they need, meeting them exactly where they are physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, like the whole person.

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And so when I work with somebody one-on-one, it's exactly that we take a look at what's actually going on for the person.

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One of the things that I've gotten really we've riffed on this in the past on my podcast even too of like the aches and pains that come up from day-to-day life, especially musicians moving heavy equipment, having a strap around their neck on one spot with a heavy instrument, repetitive strain back and forth, hitting cymbals and drum heads, and all the things that come through this, those repetitive strain issues that haven't been able to be helped by a doctor, a chiro, a physio, a physio, an AT, like any number of people.

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They're MDs and they come to me and they're like I've tried everything.

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I was like well, you ready to get a little weird?

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You know my business name weird and strong for a reason, and especially the folks with back pain.

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They're the ones that are easiest to pick out.

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It's like I've been, I've I've been diagnosed with a bulging disc.

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I've been to every chiropractor in town physical therapists.

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They're talking about surgery but they're not even sure if that's going to help.

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And we sit, we talk and we look at their lifestyle, we look at the stories that they've got going on in their heads and it's almost never about their back.

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Yeah right.

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So we get some breath going in, we get them regressed in movement, we treat them like a real person and we start to look at what are the big things happening in their lives, what are the big stressors, what are the big beliefs that come from that, or what are the big beliefs that are causing a lot of those stressors?

00:28:33.634 --> 00:28:36.060
What are the big beliefs that come from that, or what are the big beliefs that are causing a lot of those stressors?

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What are the identities that get created around that?

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And we have that as a conversation and then we start to work on it from there.

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Now, are you seeing?

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Those are the things like when they come in, they're talking about the back.

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Do we get into that?

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And then those are the things that are contributing to their back pain.

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Many times yes.

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So how does that work?

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I Many times, yes.

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How does that work?

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I'm not sleeping well.

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I haven't eaten a vegetable in six months.

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I'm fighting with my spouse constantly, my back pain is causing me, so I can't play with my kids.

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So now I have all this anxiety and guilt and shame around all of this.

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Okay, over and over the things that I do in my day-to-day life of my job.

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It's like, okay, let's take things back a notch Back back.

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Life of my job.

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It's like, okay, let's, let's take things back a notch back, back, back, back, back, back back, and we take it back to the breath, we take it back to some of the beliefs that they have about themselves, and then we, we build it up from there how is it received dude?

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like when somebody comes in, this has got to sound like freaking voodoo magic.

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How do people respond?

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uh, you know, if I'm talking to them on the street about it, they, they, they tend to look at me like a bit like I'm an alien, like it was like I don't ever don't ever claim to be a doctor.

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I'm not a therapist, I'm not a.

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I'm not a licensed physician in any way, shape or form.

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You know, if you have a, a, if the discs in your back have shot out the back and like they're on the wall, yes, go see an MD, please go see an MD.

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You have a congenital issue.

00:29:59.066 --> 00:30:16.057
But many people we're talking about just underlying chronic pain or underlying chronic discomfort, and people that I talk to, people who are in the know, is that the body is a great.

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It lets you know what's going on pretty easily.

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It's going to tell you things and it's going to come as a feather, it's going to come as a Mack truck, like you can listen to it when it's a little feather tickling you, or you have to wait and listen to it when it's the Mack truck and it's put you in the hospital bed.

00:30:35.368 --> 00:30:52.265
So it's getting them trained to take notice of what is happening in their body, what's happening in their mind, like how finding the correlation when those two things all of a sudden come to the same conclusion, like, hey, I'm really stressed out about something, I haven't really been sleeping.

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Oh, it just so happens, my back hurts at the same time.

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It's interesting.

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And then we you know, rather than spend a session trying to force them to do deadlifts, we do some gentle movement and we do some breathing.

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We maybe work on some of the words that they use and the way that they're talking about themselves and all of a sudden, by the end of the session, they're like oh, my back doesn't hurt.

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And we didn't do a damn thing to it.

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I didn't touch it, we didn't talk about it.

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Really, we didn't do any corrective exercises we sometimes will do some of that but we got you moving in a way that you feel safe, you feel heard, you feel seen and we've challenged some of those areas that are challenging you in a negative way into turning into ways that we can make it positive.

00:31:45.924 --> 00:31:46.465
Dude, it sounds like the the.

00:31:46.465 --> 00:31:47.568
The word movement is, uh, one of them double on thunders.

00:31:47.568 --> 00:31:55.315
It's um movement, movement away from the distractions, movement away from the stuff that's limiting you, that you're unaware of, really, and I'd love to dive into more of this.

00:31:55.315 --> 00:31:58.251
We have a new segment on the show.

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We were talking a little beforehand.

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I love when I've got guests here that play music as well, because I love highlighting and hearing different tunes, and I truly believe that podcasting can be a new way that independent artists can get their music out there, because we can reverse commercials.

00:32:17.979 --> 00:32:19.099
How cool is that.

00:32:19.099 --> 00:32:22.553
So, Jared, I'm going to hit a little.

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I know you wear a lot of hats.

00:32:24.657 --> 00:32:26.632
You do a lot of good things out there.

00:32:26.632 --> 00:32:29.011
Have you ever had the opportunity to be a radio DJ?

00:32:29.011 --> 00:32:29.934
Probably.

00:32:32.346 --> 00:32:35.374
I've been a DJ for wedding dances, but never a radio DJ.

00:32:36.036 --> 00:32:36.817
Okay, a radio DJ.

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Have you got a radio DJ voice?

00:32:38.289 --> 00:32:38.991
Let's hear it.

00:32:38.991 --> 00:32:41.287
I want to hear this thing.

00:32:41.287 --> 00:32:45.534
All right, let's go Give it a little practice.

00:32:45.534 --> 00:32:46.494
I'm not going to throw you in.

00:32:46.515 --> 00:32:48.178
Come on, what do you think I'm?

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insane.

00:32:48.739 --> 00:32:49.799
What's with my reputation?

00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:57.855
I'm not crazy, brother, we're buds and all but let's hear it a little bit.

00:32:57.977 --> 00:33:11.257
Okay, let's just all right, welcome to the under the mic or under the radar podcast with mike schwartz that's why we practice yeah, like, what's the words I'm like?

00:33:11.257 --> 00:33:13.185
I got the tone, I know, I know what the tone's like.

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What are the words I'm using?

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The radar.

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Okay.

00:33:16.211 --> 00:33:26.509
Well, dude, I'm gonna throw you uh a radio dj bit here for, uh, the new segment, this is gonna be mic drop radio, all right, oh, yeah, that's right, yeah, it's, it can be under the radar, you can also say that.

00:33:26.509 --> 00:33:31.326
But uh, you'll know what to do and I'll cue you in, I'll play with all the, all the things.

00:33:31.326 --> 00:33:32.449
I got everything for you.

00:33:32.449 --> 00:33:42.232
Okay, all right, I'll give you, I'll even give you the one of those all right, my video's lagging pretty hard, so oh is it yeah yeah, this will be interesting.

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Here we go.

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Mike drop radio welcome back to Mike Drop Radio.

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We have an interesting band straight out of the frozen tundras of Fargo, north Dakota, called Orange Sundays a post-apocalyptic landscape of music.

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No-transcript.

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You have to make the virtual shit fun.

00:38:31.733 --> 00:38:33.047
Yes, you have to make the virtual shit fun, right?

00:38:33.067 --> 00:38:51.380
Well, that's exactly what you know, to riff on something that we were talking about before too, of like distractions away from as musicians, like we can distract ourselves with all the equipment in the world and the way that the show is going, and like what's going on with my monitor mix and what's happening with, you know, the guitar players.

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Gosh, what did they do over there?

00:38:53.391 --> 00:38:58.556
The reality is that there's so much opportunity to just have fun.

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That's the whole reason we got into.

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For most of us.

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There's other reasons that are tangential, but an ultimate reality is we got into playing musician because we thought it was fun.

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We got into music because it interests us in a way that allowed us to experience and express and have a blast while we're doing it.

00:39:18.820 --> 00:39:22.534
And so why not have fun?

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Why not show up and be goofy and be yourself and be the most you that you could possibly be, because that's what the audience wants from you anyways?

00:39:32.313 --> 00:39:37.858
Possibly be, because that's what the audience wants from you anyways is the more fun that you're having actually having on stage.

00:39:37.858 --> 00:39:54.038
Whether you're pissed off at the drummer or not, like not to like pick on drummers, I'm never pissed off oh hey, we know, we, we get, we, we get what's coming yeah, yeah, yeah, um, like, whether that's happening or not, can you drop that for the gig for the day?

00:39:54.358 --> 00:39:54.617
Can you?

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Can you take a breath together and be like hey, you know what?

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We'll chat, we'll, we'll, we'll talk this out later.

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We're here to have some fun tonight and figure out whatever that needs to be.

00:40:06.376 --> 00:40:08.106
Yeah, to be true.

00:40:08.286 --> 00:40:13.132
Yeah, and I mean you did a really great job of recapping the first part in there.

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We talked a lot about how easy it is to be distracted, whether that is with the things that we do, the relationships, that we keep the 14,000 things on the top of our mind when it really is.

00:40:29.996 --> 00:40:41.126
Four really is for yeah.

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So you know, how important is it, um, to to really get clear on what we, what we finished off in in part one there before the track on, like what is actually going on.

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How, how important is it when you're working with somebody, they, they come in and they say, oh, I've been experiencing back pain forever.

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Or they put some and you go forever, and then they go well, three weeks.

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It's like, is that forever?

00:41:02.090 --> 00:41:15.512
How dangerous is the language when we use terms like that oh, I can't wait for Friday, oh, an injury for forever, or it's taking forever to get my it's simple stuff right.

00:41:15.644 --> 00:41:17.893
It's really simple, day-to-day type of language.

00:41:17.893 --> 00:41:27.248
How dangerous is that from both you in a coaching perspective when you're coming in hearing that type of stuff, but also if you've experienced that in the music industry.

00:41:27.248 --> 00:41:28.291
I know I do all the time.

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All the time is quite literal Since I've gotten in it.

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It's a very common trend for um the the drama to be cranked up well, to uh, to your point of the forever.

00:41:42.954 --> 00:41:48.628
My, my go-to question with forever is forever, forever, ever.

00:41:49.409 --> 00:42:12.849
Some outcasts and like when they get it it takes them out of it for a moment, because we start to realize that there's a propensity to drama for humans and, for better or worse, all the things we're talking about.

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I'm by no means I don't have it all figured out by the negation in that very much acknowledged that these are things that I continually work on and like.

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This is a crafting of who I am and a continual craft of my craft as a coach and a musician as well is when I find myself button up against a wall or feel like I'm banging my head against the wall.

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It's like I'm banging my head against a wall.

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It's like, hey, maybe there's a door over to the right a little bit or to the left and you should just look for it.

00:42:38.887 --> 00:43:01.277
And a lot of times it comes into that language component and it's very easy, as somebody who works in the physical realm of sets and reps and physical movement, to ignore the things that your clients say, to ignore the things that your bandmates say, especially when it's a moment where they're not doing well.

00:43:01.277 --> 00:43:05.773
We're social creatures, folks.

00:43:05.773 --> 00:43:07.951
I don't know if you've all noticed this.

00:43:07.951 --> 00:43:14.148
We can usually pick up when somebody's in a bad mood, not having a great time.

00:43:14.148 --> 00:43:28.860
We can usually pick up when somebody is in a bad mood, not having a great time, and, rather than give them platitudes of it will be okay, they're there, try to soften the blow in a way that isn't really even all of that useful.

00:43:28.860 --> 00:43:38.070
In a lot of ways, we can call people forward in different ways of challenging some of that language.

00:43:38.090 --> 00:43:38.791
Well, I've always had back pain.

00:43:38.791 --> 00:43:39.373
What does that actually mean?

00:43:39.373 --> 00:43:40.335
When does it actually happen?

00:43:40.335 --> 00:43:41.947
Do you remember an event where that started?

00:43:41.947 --> 00:43:50.349
Okay, we can start to rewind backwards and start to let them see what might actually be occurring for them.

00:43:50.349 --> 00:43:52.293
If there's an injury, it's an injury.

00:43:52.293 --> 00:43:58.550
If it's an event, I'm feeling, I just feel depressed all the time.

00:43:58.550 --> 00:44:00.393
Oh, all the time.

00:44:00.393 --> 00:44:01.135
That's unfortunate.

00:44:01.135 --> 00:44:04.610
You remember like you've never been not depressed.

00:44:04.610 --> 00:44:07.195
Okay, well, tell me more about that.

00:44:07.195 --> 00:44:08.077
What was that like?

00:44:08.077 --> 00:44:10.530
What led to being more depressed?

00:44:10.530 --> 00:44:14.413
What's the type of, what are the types of thoughts that come up around that?

00:44:14.413 --> 00:44:18.534
And being able to ask those questions and challenge that language, I think that that's.

00:44:18.534 --> 00:44:22.672
I don't even think that is more important than anything that I'm going to prescribe.

00:44:22.672 --> 00:44:31.608
As far as sets and reps and movements in a one-on-one session, it's almost it's about the movement, but it's not even about the physical movement most of the time.

00:44:32.451 --> 00:44:48.945
Yeah, as we alluded to before the break here, and what's coming up for me too is a lot of stuff that we talked Guys go check out episode 104 with Ben DeBoard, another fellow, and lifted homie, and I mean there's like 250 of us in the world.

00:44:48.945 --> 00:44:56.813
So it's a very unknown, very, very bespoke way of dealing with this and you raise a really good point.

00:44:56.813 --> 00:45:10.992
So often in those situations, what would happen in the past would be you raise a question, it's seen as a challenge, and now we've got conflict.

00:45:10.992 --> 00:45:12.943
It's seen as a challenge and now we've got conflict.

00:45:12.943 --> 00:45:29.009
Yeah Right, what ways do you have to reduce that conflict?

00:45:29.009 --> 00:45:29.449
That listeners?

00:45:29.489 --> 00:45:30.271
can take this and practically work it.

00:45:30.271 --> 00:45:32.376
The biggest one there is co-regulation.

00:45:32.376 --> 00:45:38.690
Okay, the biggest one there is co-regulation.

00:45:38.690 --> 00:45:44.655
So, especially if you're trying to avoid conflict or you're shying away from asking a question or saying something because you're afraid of the conflict, you're afraid of losing it.

00:45:44.675 --> 00:45:49.615
Yeah, yeah, Just for listeners like what do we mean by co-regulation?

00:45:49.615 --> 00:45:50.157
What does that mean?

00:45:50.157 --> 00:45:52.157
Maybe that's a term that a lot of people haven't heard.

00:45:52.157 --> 00:45:52.092
Yeah, I was going to get into it.

00:45:52.092 --> 00:45:52.226
What does that mean?

00:45:52.226 --> 00:45:52.304
Maybe?

00:45:52.222 --> 00:45:55.005
that's a term that a lot of people haven't heard yeah, I was going to get into it of that.

00:45:55.005 --> 00:46:06.360
So if I'm feeling really afraid and you're feeling really upregulated, you're breathing really shallow, it starts to feel like that type of breath.

00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:13.670
You're agitated and you're real pissed off about something.

00:46:13.670 --> 00:46:20.496
And I want to ask a question that I know is going to get you to be not pissed off, but it's likely going to make you more pissed off in the short term.

00:46:20.496 --> 00:46:33.449
If I'm afraid of that and I'm starting to also breathe in the same way as you are, I'm going to get more anxious and I'm going to get more afraid and it's unlikely that I'm going to ask you that question and more likely to go.

00:46:33.449 --> 00:46:36.096
That sucks, dude, yeah yeah.

00:46:37.766 --> 00:46:48.751
And it starts to turn into that drama bond of me not challenging you and bringing you forward to call you on your stuff, when it is very obviously you being in your own way.

00:46:48.985 --> 00:47:12.257
I'm saying that hypothetically, but it happens to all of us hypothetically but like it happens to all of us and I'm not giving anybody license to just be a dingus and a jerk to people, uh, to call people out left and right without you know, uh, being centered towards wanting to help and love right and being able to bring that forward.

00:47:12.277 --> 00:47:28.072
And when you can control that breath, it makes the question you ask or the thing that you bring forward to them, it makes that blow exactly what it needs to be or it makes that statement sit to be what it is and it no longer feels as much of an attack.

00:47:28.072 --> 00:47:44.871
I've seen this happen as a coach and in my early days of working with some words and breath, there were a lot of reservations of oh, I can't say that, I can't flip the words on them like that, they're going to be pissed off and stormed off, storm out of my office.

00:47:44.871 --> 00:48:06.027
And as I catch myself in those thoughts in my own head, it's okay, come back, take a deep breath, long exhale long exhale and let's, let's work with it, okay, so let me.

00:48:06.068 --> 00:48:19.516
If sounds like dude, you're saying the secret to all of this is breathing, yeah, something we've been doing since literally day one yes, exactly yeah okay, you're gonna you now have a bunch of questions.

00:48:20.016 --> 00:48:21.898
Oh yeah, exactly so.

00:48:21.898 --> 00:48:23.740
Okay, go on man.

00:48:23.740 --> 00:48:26.172
Okay, well, here's a way to take this then.

00:48:26.172 --> 00:48:28.192
Okay, so I get breathing.

00:48:28.192 --> 00:48:31.614
Then what I've still got 17 things to do.

00:48:31.614 --> 00:48:34.054
I've still got all my social media.

00:48:34.054 --> 00:48:36.032
My relationship at home isn't good.

00:48:36.032 --> 00:48:39.449
I can't pick up my kids, I'm stressed out.

00:48:39.449 --> 00:48:42.128
I don't know when to release the next song.

00:48:42.128 --> 00:48:44.932
The laundry list goes on All right.

00:48:45.233 --> 00:48:47.759
Now, what Is that all true?

00:48:47.759 --> 00:48:49.806
Is that all exactly true?

00:48:49.806 --> 00:48:56.376
Do you actually have 17,000 things to do right now?

00:48:56.376 --> 00:48:59.007
No, okay, so let's zoom in on.

00:48:59.007 --> 00:48:59.407
I don't know.

00:48:59.969 --> 00:49:01.655
I don't know, I think I do.

00:49:02.164 --> 00:49:03.228
Yeah, it seems like I do.

00:49:03.228 --> 00:49:04.170
It seems like you do.

00:49:04.170 --> 00:49:05.213
Okay, that's interesting.

00:49:05.213 --> 00:49:12.275
Tell me more, ask the questions and keep asking the questions and it's a breath and questions.

00:49:13.217 --> 00:49:29.554
If you're a coach, if you're a parent, if you're a partner, if you're a human out there in the world talking to other people, breath and questions are going to be the two things that are going to get you the furthest in life, because it allows you to listen in a different way.

00:49:29.554 --> 00:49:32.739
I love to share information.

00:49:32.739 --> 00:49:38.614
Being a big old nerd, I love to read things and hear things and consume information.

00:49:38.614 --> 00:49:42.490
My teachers used to say that you're just like a sponge of information.

00:49:43.713 --> 00:49:48.487
So one of the most challenging things for me is to shut up and ask a question.

00:49:50.271 --> 00:49:51.753
Stop trying to tell people the answer.

00:49:51.753 --> 00:50:05.525
Ask them the question so that they give you the answer, or ask the question in an interesting way so that it steers them towards a possible answer, so they discover it for themselves, or they discover something that they give you the answer, or ask the question in an interesting way so that it steers them towards a possible answer so they discover it for themselves, or they discover something that they again.

00:50:05.525 --> 00:50:19.652
It's that same idea I talked about of if I feel like I'm hitting my head against the wall too many times to take a step back and see if there's a door right next to me and a good question can be the revealing of that door for somebody.

00:50:19.652 --> 00:50:29.327
And yeah, I have a quick, you know a simple rule for myself of if I feel like I'm talking too much, I'm going to stop and I'm going to ask.

00:50:29.327 --> 00:50:37.934
If I feel like I know what the person's talking about, I'm going to ask three more questions about it and see where it goes that's cool, that's very cool.

00:50:38.313 --> 00:50:38.574
What's what?

00:50:38.574 --> 00:50:41.686
What are you like for for people that are listening?

00:50:41.686 --> 00:50:59.474
Because I I'm thinking back to like, okay, in a band situation, for sure, in rehearsal there's usually a conflict in an arrangement or um a mix, and one person's got one opinion, another person's got another opinion and now what?

00:50:59.474 --> 00:51:03.516
We're in checkmate kind of mode.

00:51:03.516 --> 00:51:08.076
What question could help in a situation like that?

00:51:11.588 --> 00:51:11.688
Yeah.

00:51:11.688 --> 00:51:19.465
So in that regard, I come back to like all right, what are we actually trying to like?

00:51:19.465 --> 00:51:23.135
What are we expressing here, Like, what is our, what is our through line?

00:51:23.135 --> 00:51:34.634
What is the are we are we playing for playing sake, are we just jamming and we just have a disagreement of like jam, or are we, are we speaking the same language?

00:51:36.367 --> 00:51:38.934
I see music so much and so often as a language.

00:51:38.934 --> 00:51:54.528
Because I see music so much and so often as a language, and it's those times when you know you're a drummer, I'm a bassist, like when we're really clicked in and cooking, it's because we're talking the same language, we're having a conversation and so it's okay.

00:51:54.528 --> 00:51:59.753
Where am I not hearing you in?

00:51:59.753 --> 00:52:12.030
Where you're going with this, like, something that has helped in the past, especially recently in some collaborations, is say more.

00:52:12.030 --> 00:52:18.751
You know, I may not agree with what you're, what you're saying right now, melodically, rhythmically, whatever it is.

00:52:18.751 --> 00:52:19.795
Can you say more?

00:52:19.795 --> 00:52:25.657
Make it more?

00:52:25.657 --> 00:52:29.768
I'm curious to see if you're holding yourself back in this, and I don't like it because you're holding yourself back.

00:52:31.070 --> 00:52:33.617
Yeah, yeah, that feels like it's more empowering.

00:52:33.617 --> 00:52:34.706
For sure.

00:52:34.706 --> 00:53:04.150
One of the things that's worked for me in the past isn't even a question, it's straight from the Voss book of negotiations, and being able to mirror or label those have been instrumental, pun intended, where they'll say XYZ needs more base, it needs more base, and you just repeat the last three or the key words of that phrase to allow for.

00:53:04.150 --> 00:53:06.811
It's also a really great interviewing technique.

00:53:06.811 --> 00:53:19.773
It's a really great way to explore by for lack of better terms not showing your cards, by just letting that person elaborate more in any direction.

00:53:19.773 --> 00:53:22.313
It's a way of calibrating a response from somebody.

00:53:23.608 --> 00:53:49.018
I agree with you, I could talk everybody's ears off for hours and the key for me was sitting back and actually proactively listening, and that's made my life in band settings, in just getting a coffee from the shop, finding out what that person's highlight of their day is, letting them take a minute to breathe and actually feel like a human.

00:53:49.018 --> 00:53:50.791
That's profound.

00:53:50.791 --> 00:53:52.771
That's the kind of stuff that I really like.

00:53:52.771 --> 00:54:04.030
And when you can do that in, because, let's think about it, if we're playing music, we're likely spending a majority of our time with these three, four, five other people in our lives.

00:54:04.030 --> 00:54:15.599
It would be good to understand where they're coming from and understand their perspective of things, so that you know you can reduce that conflict faster, because it will still happen.

00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:23.190
Yeah, that's the thing right, exactly, and and being able to have some simple frameworks or some simple ideas around.

00:54:23.190 --> 00:54:32.760
That of like is this I had a mentor one time that criticized some of the things I was doing at work.

00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:33.621
I was showing up on weekends.

00:54:33.621 --> 00:54:42.726
He's like, well, we're not curing cancer here, and so it's like music moves people in so many ways and it's, it's very, very important.

00:54:42.726 --> 00:54:59.677
But in reality, uh, whether it's uh, you know, this key or this key or this scale or this scale, is it really all that important in the the grand scheme of things, and am I actually being more upset with myself than I am upset with you?

00:55:02.449 --> 00:55:03.351
nice segue.

00:55:03.351 --> 00:55:05.014
Yeah, how much I was.

00:55:05.014 --> 00:55:13.947
My next question, you know, speaking of questions, was like how much of this is like self-inflicted, how much of this is actually the stuff that's going on inside of me and I'm taking it out of my band, all of it?

00:55:17.494 --> 00:55:29.976
you mean like if all right, guys, if you're good if your guitar player comes over and kicks your drum set over, I mean you have something different to be like that's, that's something to be some like yeah, that happened and they're disrespecting me.

00:55:30.016 --> 00:55:49.409
Upset about that it's you know if it's something else I was having this conversation with just yesterday of like how much of the things that we get upset with on the day to day are really just mirrors for for how we show up, or like how, what, what's showing up with another person that we're uncomfortable with?

00:55:49.409 --> 00:55:52.717
You know, right, I I've told this story to a few people.

00:55:52.717 --> 00:55:56.969
Uh, you know, mr mark england that we know, uh, first met him.

00:55:56.969 --> 00:55:59.273
Uh, first time I got exposed to him, I hated him.

00:55:59.273 --> 00:56:01.815
I was like who's this guy?

00:56:01.815 --> 00:56:08.731
Like he's wrong about all these things, and uh, like I was like screw this, I don't want anything to do with any of this.

00:56:10.775 --> 00:56:26.172
And uh, I ended up a bit intrigued by the end of the, the workshop, and what I got to realize in that process was I wasn't mad at Mark, I wasn't upset with anything that he said.

00:56:27.215 --> 00:56:35.018
I was upset that I saw something in him that reminded me of me, and it reminded me of a version of me who's much further ahead than I am.

00:56:35.018 --> 00:57:00.474
And I would much rather reject that future version, that future possible version of me because I know how much work it's going to take to get there than to accept that I could be, I could express in that same way or in a similar way, or I can get to that path of of being, you know, towards that direction of being that person who I want to be yeah, that direction of being that person who I want to be yeah, or I can reject it fully.

00:57:00.474 --> 00:57:12.679
So, okay, if I'm mad about it because of that, I've chosen to be mad about it because I don't want to do the work.

00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:14.065
Well, how much do you want it?

00:57:14.065 --> 00:57:18.474
Do you actually want to move towards being somebody like that, or see that version of yourself that's reflected back at you?

00:57:19.197 --> 00:57:27.239
All right, that's a different conversation, very much.

00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:49.835
Yeah, man, everything that I have learned in these last I'd even stretch it back five, six years since being really introduced to the power of language we're all about the outcast quotes here today, ten times out of nine, ten times out of nine comes right back to me.

00:57:50.545 --> 00:58:12.652
Everyone around me, all the experiences I'm having, is a mirror of what's going on inside, and that can be really scary sometimes, because when you do see that mirror as something that's like whoa, that is me and that's future me, we tend to hold on when we're not aware it's totally a subconscious thing.

00:58:12.652 --> 00:58:43.773
We tend to hold on to that playing small down here because that's comfort and that's 25, 30 years worth of comfort, and to stretch outside of that would change the world around you so much that it's really tough to get through that initial resistance because there's people around that are going to see you making a change and they're going to make it about you and that's like you're the problem, and I've seen this time and time again.

00:58:43.773 --> 00:58:58.836
Anytime you change suits, as I say, you go Clark Kent, put on the cape and become Superman, and people typically don't like that, the ones that have known you forever.

00:58:58.836 --> 00:59:00.650
Did you ever experience that in your life?

00:59:01.393 --> 00:59:07.733
Many times and it's interesting because I've been reflecting on this it's like you've been reading my journal or something.

00:59:07.733 --> 00:59:13.277
I always love that when that comes up in a podcasting of like, oh, I've been thinking about this exact topic.

00:59:13.277 --> 00:59:21.505
I've had some big changes as a coach over time and I've not heard anything what somebody has said about me directly.

00:59:21.505 --> 00:59:27.289
But certain people just see themselves out of your life, whether it's intentional or not.

00:59:27.992 --> 00:59:38.351
I have no judgment towards any of that, but there are times where it can feel very hurtful or like I start to create the story that it's all about me and it has nothing to do with the fact that they have an entire, have their own life.

00:59:38.351 --> 00:59:53.110
Like they start to create this, this narrative that that, oh, everything that they, everything that they do, is a slight towards me and but it's again, it's the, the being able to take that step back and go oh, no, it has nothing to do with me.

00:59:53.110 --> 00:59:55.835
Yeah, it's, that's not.

00:59:55.835 --> 00:59:59.568
That's not even that's not even mine anywhere close to my universe to own.

00:59:59.568 --> 01:00:11.400
Is that I'm creating all of these stories around this to have this victimhood for myself or to have some sort of chip on my shoulder when I don't need to?

01:00:12.646 --> 01:00:14.490
Yeah, dude, it's the same thing.

01:00:14.490 --> 01:00:15.393
It's a dopamine hit.

01:00:15.393 --> 01:00:16.536
Everybody thinks of dopamine.

01:00:16.536 --> 01:00:18.766
I remember hearing it with Huberman.

01:00:18.766 --> 01:00:19.188
It's a dopamine hit.

01:00:19.188 --> 01:00:19.969
Everybody thinks the dopamine.

01:00:19.969 --> 01:00:29.840
I remember hearing it with Huberman Huberman and Goggins episode, where they're talking about no dopamine comes from like fear, pain, all of that shit, all that shit that you're going through, that's a dopamine release.

01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:38.690
So you love, you're addicted to feeling like.

01:00:38.690 --> 01:00:40.554
You know the shame, the guilt, the you're addicted to.

01:00:40.554 --> 01:00:45.791
Oh well, nobody's liking my post and now I get to feel like, oh, it's me.

01:00:45.791 --> 01:00:49.387
And I get to feel sad and we're glorifying, like tell me if you agree to this.

01:00:49.427 --> 01:00:52.836
This is a strong point and I could make a whole series on this.

01:00:52.836 --> 01:01:03.920
Victimhood is glorified and especially in what comes to mind is like the Midwest emo and punk to extent.

01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:10.715
You know we are the lowly types, you know we are the ones that are, and they mean well, I'm sure they do.

01:01:10.715 --> 01:01:20.519
And how much of songwriting could be taken with your experience, with the words and the work that you get to do with the young adults that you get to work with.

01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:27.331
How much of our world could be totally changed if we just flip the switch on the victimhood button there.

01:01:27.331 --> 01:01:31.295
Like what could we do.

01:01:31.295 --> 01:01:34.893
Is there any way to get around that?

01:01:34.893 --> 01:01:36.617
A shortcut and an easy button?

01:01:39.106 --> 01:01:44.773
I mean the shortcut and the easy button is working, with the coach right not to, and it's still not easy.

01:01:44.773 --> 01:01:47.418
Holy smoke, simple, that's like that's the hard button.

01:01:47.485 --> 01:01:50.371
Yeah, yeah, you've got hard and harder.

01:01:52.173 --> 01:02:04.708
Well, you know somebody somebody, somebody I mean I'm not even sure who first coined this phrase Pick your heart, because living is also hard Totally, and so we get to make that choice.

01:02:04.708 --> 01:02:07.731
Of which heart do we want to work with here?

01:02:08.713 --> 01:02:15.581
And to your point of like, I've been really conscious about my media consumption.

01:02:15.581 --> 01:02:24.929
We talk about diets and food consumption a lot in the world.

01:02:24.929 --> 01:02:26.952
As far as health and wellness goes, we tend to not talk too much about.

01:02:26.952 --> 01:02:28.295
What does our media consumption look like?

01:02:28.295 --> 01:02:32.686
I love stories, I love narratives.

01:02:32.686 --> 01:02:37.818
I grew up being obsessed with Star Wars and I like to bring that up in my coaching so much.

01:02:37.818 --> 01:02:54.179
But there's so many cool things that come through with empowering stories and we have this opportunity to take a look at what stories am I really pulling through, or what pieces of this am I really pulling through?

01:02:54.179 --> 01:03:03.860
Am I creating or am I gravitating towards media and stories that are waiting for somebody to come and be the hero for me?

01:03:03.860 --> 01:03:12.460
Or am I gravitating towards stories where the person is overcoming and empowering themselves towards something?

01:03:14.005 --> 01:03:15.590
And what can I bring and take from that?

01:03:15.590 --> 01:03:27.608
Rather than whatever, um, you know, whatever other narratives that come through with that of where can I, where can I find the ways that I can feel inspired by the things that I, the media that I consume?

01:03:27.608 --> 01:03:32.237
Rather than kick down, I look back to when I was a swoopy haired emo kid.

01:03:32.237 --> 01:03:36.751
Um, I talked about this in a presentation once of.

01:03:36.751 --> 01:03:46.737
Um've always known that, you know, I always is a strong word, but I've, I've had a long, long time of being able to realize how powerful words are.

01:03:46.737 --> 01:03:50.452
I, I, I journaled right, I.

01:03:50.452 --> 01:03:59.695
I've, I've looked at some of those old journals and peak level cringe material folks, because it was all about, you know, wine, cry boohoo.

01:03:59.815 --> 01:04:09.094
Woe is me, um, for not you know for no other reason than I was just keeping myself stuck and it felt good to be.

01:04:09.094 --> 01:04:11.469
It felt good to feel bad and I loved.

01:04:11.469 --> 01:04:29.469
I loved it and all the media and all the music that I was listening to was reinforcing all of that, and so, and in that moment of doing those things, I'm listening to this music and I was loving it so much and it starts to feel like it's made for me, like I'm the only person in the world that feels this way.

01:04:30.192 --> 01:04:50.356
Nobody really understands how I feel and I was like right the coolest part of uh going through the enlifted process is you start to realize that all of us have pretty similar feelings and we have a lot of similar hangups and the things that I struggle with are probably very similar to the things that you struggle with.

01:04:51.648 --> 01:05:01.409
Just a different flavor or a different dosage of one thing or the other, dosage of one thing or the other.

01:05:01.409 --> 01:05:07.931
And so the more and more that I can remind myself and and and and, for those that work around me, those are who come across me to realize that, hey, we've, we've, we've all got some things that we're uncomfortable with.

01:05:07.931 --> 01:05:15.054
We've got some things, some thoughts, some stories from our past, and what are we going to do about it?

01:05:15.054 --> 01:05:16.898
What can we do to move forward?

01:05:22.465 --> 01:05:23.146
we going to do about it?

01:05:23.146 --> 01:05:23.847
What can we do to move forward?

01:05:23.847 --> 01:05:25.291
Yeah, dude, what a great way to depart into the uh, the close here.

01:05:25.291 --> 01:05:25.811
You mentioned you.

01:05:25.811 --> 01:05:26.693
You love questions.

01:05:26.693 --> 01:05:29.005
Yeah, I do love questions as well.

01:05:29.005 --> 01:05:30.208
I want to put you on the hot seat.

01:05:30.208 --> 01:05:37.083
Okay, first record, first one, I was your first.

01:05:37.083 --> 01:05:45.793
Yeah, yeah, bought, or per bought, or I mean it was kind of a funny question now because people are like first stream yeah, yeah, yeah a record folks is vinyl.

01:05:45.813 --> 01:05:46.958
Yeah, or we could.

01:05:46.958 --> 01:05:49.650
We could also count CDs, because I know we're about the same age.

01:05:49.650 --> 01:05:57.090
I remember both my records and my CD collections were my records came later, actually, when I understood what the value was.

01:05:57.090 --> 01:05:59.489
Yeah, that's a whole different podcast.

01:06:00.271 --> 01:06:09.318
Yeah, but first, first uh album you remember produce or uh, picking up uh, you know, the first one that I had like access to was a cassette tape of alvin and the chipmunks.

01:06:09.318 --> 01:06:13.068
That was like like little little kid uh.

01:06:13.188 --> 01:06:26.657
But the first one that I went out and sought out for myself and I bought was chumbawamba's tub thumping no kidding, yeah, I remember when that thing came out and that was like the single of the year it was on forever which we listened to.

01:06:26.704 --> 01:06:41.333
That grade four, grade five, yeah, yeah, I was I was, I think, like seventh grade for me um like I still, you know, uh, tub thumping, the single like gets you.

01:06:41.333 --> 01:06:46.079
You know, it was overplayed so much that like it's a meme on a meme at this point.

01:06:46.806 --> 01:06:49.474
But the rest of that record is killer.

01:06:50.184 --> 01:06:52.293
Like you know, the song itself was killer.

01:06:52.293 --> 01:06:56.349
There's a reason why I got so much play, but the rest of that album is killer as well.

01:06:56.369 --> 01:07:16.349
You know, it's just like crazy avant-garde uh proto-punk group that is like highly expressive and people, people think it's this highly overproduced, like uh group that was engineered like out of whatever, but it was, uh, this like more of a collective than a particular band.

01:07:16.349 --> 01:07:25.108
Um right, highly unique and highly creative, and I was like it's no wonder that I ended up being a bit of a weirdo If that's the first record I gravitated towards.

01:07:25.108 --> 01:07:27.693
It makes some sense.

01:07:27.713 --> 01:07:28.335
That's very cool.

01:07:28.335 --> 01:07:30.599
I'm writing that down.

01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:34.393
I'm in this phase of listening back to.

01:07:34.393 --> 01:07:38.548
It's funny you bring that up back to old stuff that as a kid I was really listening to hard.

01:07:38.548 --> 01:07:49.186
It's funny you bring that up Back to old stuff that as a kid I was really listening to hard and then re-experiencing those songs to see what now, with my knowledge of what was I listening for from all aspects.

01:07:49.186 --> 01:07:52.615
So that's really cool the avant-garde focus of that album.

01:07:52.615 --> 01:07:57.554
I do remember skipping a lot of songs because it wasn't catchy for me.

01:07:57.554 --> 01:08:03.702
It didn't hook me the same way, but it'd be very interesting and it'd be very interesting to listen to it again.

01:08:03.702 --> 01:08:04.947
That's a very great answer.

01:08:04.947 --> 01:08:05.467
I like that.

01:08:05.467 --> 01:08:05.748
Okay.

01:08:05.748 --> 01:08:07.936
If you were a dinosaur, what kind of dinosaur would you be?

01:08:09.548 --> 01:08:11.733
you know, this is a question that I've heard come up and I was.

01:08:11.733 --> 01:08:16.532
It was like you should probably think about that one and have a good answer for a dinosaur.

01:08:16.532 --> 01:08:20.099
Yeah, I can't even remember what they're called.

01:08:20.099 --> 01:08:34.123
I believe they're a pachyderm of some sort, but they're the ones that are like, they have like the like, really like armored head, the big, yeah, the big skull thing yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah okay.

01:08:34.123 --> 01:08:39.015
Is I recognize for myself of how hard-headed I can be sometimes?

01:08:39.967 --> 01:08:44.563
is I recognize for myself of how hard-headed I can be sometimes.

01:08:44.563 --> 01:08:47.350
That's part two, how stories play into it.

01:08:47.350 --> 01:08:51.091
I was going to say, as I was biting my tongue oh, it's just the German nature of you.

01:08:51.091 --> 01:08:56.073
Yeah, yeah, well, exactly I told myself that for 30 years.

01:08:56.073 --> 01:08:58.632
Oh, I drink beer because I'm German.

01:08:58.632 --> 01:08:59.604
No, you drink beer because you drink german.

01:08:59.604 --> 01:09:08.521
No, you drink beer because you drink beer, you idiot because you like beer right, yeah, yeah, I'm still german, guys, I don't drink beer.

01:09:11.270 --> 01:09:13.234
Funny that, that's okay.

01:09:13.234 --> 01:09:15.398
That's a whole other topic, because we because we could.

01:09:15.438 --> 01:09:17.448
We could go down that of like what does that even mean?

01:09:18.470 --> 01:09:18.891
dude, dude.

01:09:18.891 --> 01:09:22.390
Yeah, I know right, exactly, there's definitely a part two.

01:09:22.390 --> 01:09:26.604
Ok, what book are you reading right now?

01:09:26.604 --> 01:09:32.137
What literature do you have to depart on these brilliant listeners?

01:09:33.405 --> 01:09:35.354
I can't remember what I've been reading.

01:09:35.354 --> 01:09:43.930
I've been picking up a book that I picked up a bit ago For those of you who are interested in the sport of Olympic weightlifting.

01:09:43.930 --> 01:09:58.719
It's called Demasculinization of Strength by Andrew Charganega, and so he talks about, like what does this look like from a strength sport perspective of including women in the sport of Olympic weightlifting in particular?

01:09:58.719 --> 01:10:22.507
Right perspective of including women in the sport of Olympic weightlifting in particular, which they've become so much more dominant than the men, even as far as performance goes, of some of the beliefs that people had of like well, snatching for women is okay, but cleaning jerks it's going to make their ovaries fall out, or something ridiculous like that to where the first Olympics that allowed women to do weightlifting was in 2000.

01:10:22.507 --> 01:10:24.932
It's not even that long ago.

01:10:25.113 --> 01:10:27.826
I I didn't even know that, yeah and so like what are the?

01:10:27.926 --> 01:10:29.369
what are the training approaches, what are the?

01:10:29.369 --> 01:10:34.127
What are the small things that, um, we can bring forward?

01:10:34.127 --> 01:10:41.899
You know there's there can be a, a mach culture, especially in strength sports, a very masculine component to it.

01:10:41.899 --> 01:10:46.152
How do we actually play towards both sides of the coin versus only one side?

01:10:46.152 --> 01:10:48.074
It was very interesting.

01:10:48.315 --> 01:10:49.797
Wow, I like that.

01:10:49.797 --> 01:10:50.399
That's very cool.

01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:57.729
Yeah, for anybody looking into that was some of the coolest ways For anybody listening here being like, oh, I'm not a gym person or anything.

01:10:57.729 --> 01:11:02.377
I'm like there's so much out there the sports that you can play like being a trainer.

01:11:02.377 --> 01:11:08.404
We just got immersed in everything because a lot of the time our clients would be well I golf.

01:11:08.404 --> 01:11:10.595
I'm like, well, I don't, I better learn something about golf.

01:11:10.595 --> 01:11:12.985
Or I play tennis, well, I don't, I better learn something.

01:11:12.985 --> 01:11:18.712
Or I ski, or I play squash, or I'm or like there's all these like different things.

01:11:18.712 --> 01:11:28.615
You start to realize that like movement is so accessible yeah, you know, so it doesn't have to be go in there and pump weights like bro, you know, you're not, you're not trying to be arnold all the time.

01:11:28.615 --> 01:11:37.826
There can be, uh, value and and creative expression in movement as well, like dance and flow, arts, animal flow.

01:11:37.826 --> 01:11:39.328
You can do that in your living room, guys.

01:11:39.488 --> 01:12:05.989
So it's like there's so much out there Maces, clubs, bags, kettlebells, like there's so many ways that's a whole other thing of story of like we can tell ourselves that it's hard and it's difficult, or we can make it fun, Like I just gravitated towards this sport because I think it's fun and I think it's interesting, and that's the thing that allows me to keep showing up for training is because I like it, yeah, and so find whatever is good for you.

01:12:07.373 --> 01:12:09.511
Well, I was going to say like, aside from the Olympic lifts, what?

01:12:09.511 --> 01:12:12.293
What is your favorite squat for anybody that's like, ooh, you know.

01:12:12.465 --> 01:12:13.668
I love front, and why front squats?

01:12:14.912 --> 01:12:15.012
Yeah.

01:12:15.475 --> 01:12:21.710
Perfect Easy because it's.

01:12:21.710 --> 01:12:28.568
Yeah, you can load up a back squat a lot heavier Front squat.

01:12:28.568 --> 01:12:33.006
It's tough for some folks if you don't have the right mobility, but it's a good excuse to get better mobility Taxes your core a lot better.

01:12:33.027 --> 01:12:41.833
I should have just prefaced that with like that's arguably one of the best exercises out there and so accessible for anybody, because if you're sitting down, you had to do it, or if you ever take a poop you have to do it.

01:12:41.833 --> 01:12:46.658
Little things like that, where it's like think about the way that we move.

01:12:46.658 --> 01:12:49.680
You've got six primary movements and their patterns.

01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:51.282
They're not necessarily exercises.

01:12:51.282 --> 01:12:54.506
People say what's the favorite exercise?

01:12:54.506 --> 01:12:56.170
Well, that's a really loaded question.

01:12:56.170 --> 01:13:02.220
But what's my favorite pattern or favorite movement that's going to get me the most bang for my buck?

01:13:02.220 --> 01:13:04.774
Generally going to be a squat or a Turkish getup.

01:13:04.774 --> 01:13:10.572
Those are my two go-tos, especially with our lifestyle.

01:13:10.572 --> 01:13:20.338
You're sitting in a studio, you're sitting on the road, you're standing, like we talked about, on your show man with a, a guitar slung around your neck and you're doing this kind of thing.

01:13:20.338 --> 01:13:30.677
You've got so many repetitive strain exercise, corrective exercise protocols to kind of get you out of that.

01:13:30.677 --> 01:13:32.532
But there's stuff to do preventing that.

01:13:32.532 --> 01:13:32.953
You know.

01:13:32.953 --> 01:13:37.515
Is there a favorite preventative exercise for you, for any musicians out there?

01:13:37.975 --> 01:13:38.296
Breathing.

01:13:40.587 --> 01:13:41.671
I knew he was going to say that.

01:13:46.948 --> 01:13:47.668
It extends to looking at.

01:13:47.668 --> 01:14:03.902
A lot of my musician friends work in blue-collar fields as well as their primary breadwinner or as a way to get them into their next field as well, like so many of the ones that I know tend to have similar issues with this too.

01:14:03.902 --> 01:14:09.877
And it comes back down to you know, are you training yourself for your job too?

01:14:09.877 --> 01:14:12.091
Like you can train.

01:14:12.091 --> 01:14:17.717
You don't have to train like an athlete, but because you use your body, even though you're an artist, you're still an athlete in so many ways there's still something very athletic of standing on stage for four hours a night.

01:14:17.717 --> 01:14:29.412
You use your body, even though you're an artist, you're still an athlete in so many ways there's still something very athletic of standing on stage for four hours a night like it's not, it's not rest, like nobody's going to tell you that.

01:14:29.412 --> 01:14:38.850
Oh yeah, I feel really recharged after four hours of playing it may feel like emotionally recharged, but there's going to be a physical tax to that.

01:14:39.331 --> 01:14:49.060
That, if you're not training for it in some way, you're going to pay for it at some point or you're going to find a limitation to where you can go with it.

01:14:50.403 --> 01:14:56.818
Yeah Well, dude, this has been awesome and I value your time and I'd like to honor that.

01:14:56.818 --> 01:15:00.314
Where can all these lovely people find out what you're up to?

01:15:00.314 --> 01:15:03.717
What are you up to and, uh, what's the easiest way to get in touch?

01:15:03.979 --> 01:15:06.729
Yeah, so my focus is primarily on the sport of Olympic weightlifting.

01:15:06.729 --> 01:15:12.310
Um, I'm working primarily with teams right now, but I also work with folks in the master's world as well.

01:15:12.310 --> 01:15:20.081
So that's uh, for those of you who don't know what that is, that's the 35 and plus, uh, the the geezers of the weightlifting world, which I'm one of as well.

01:15:20.081 --> 01:15:33.036
They can follow me on all the social platforms at Weird and Strong, I'm Weird and Strong everywhere on the internet, and I've also got the Weird and Strong podcast as well, wherever podcasts are heard.

01:15:34.418 --> 01:15:34.779
Perfect.

01:15:34.779 --> 01:15:36.532
We'll get all that into the notes.

01:15:36.532 --> 01:15:44.418
I know we got that all in the intake there, so we'll attach Jeremy's guest profile right up to this episode.

01:15:44.418 --> 01:15:47.487
So be sure to share that out with someone you care about.

01:15:47.487 --> 01:15:52.948
Guys, and especially for somebody that's in the music industry or is an artist or a creative that's hesitant.

01:15:52.948 --> 01:15:55.594
As you heard with Jer, it didn't come overnight.

01:15:55.594 --> 01:16:00.073
It was 30 years old before you finally touched an Olympic bar.

01:16:00.073 --> 01:16:01.546
So it can be done.

01:16:01.546 --> 01:16:06.886
If you're sitting there going like, oh, I'm too old or that's just not me, check in with those narratives.

01:16:06.886 --> 01:16:12.359
And, jeremy, just to close things off, you've dropped so much knowledge here today.

01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:24.515
What's the one thing a musician, a creative, an artist could take away if you had the opportunity to give them that one final ticket, that secret to success?

01:16:24.515 --> 01:16:24.975
What is it?

01:16:31.706 --> 01:16:40.518
Checking with yourself, more Like really checking in, not just living in your whatever, whatever thoughts are in the moment.

01:16:40.518 --> 01:16:52.078
Find that way to look, look deep inside and I know you're doing it in your music, I know you're using that to express but check in with it and you can have a conversation with yourself.

01:16:52.078 --> 01:17:02.389
We can journal, but the more that you are in tune with you, the more that you can start to accept you for being you, the more that everybody else will as well.

01:17:04.975 --> 01:17:05.657
Beautiful, my man.

01:17:05.657 --> 01:17:08.168
Thank you so much for your time, your space and your energy, Jeff.

01:17:08.229 --> 01:17:08.832
Thank you so much.

01:17:08.832 --> 01:17:14.153
Mike Appreciate this.

01:17:14.153 --> 01:17:19.962
I couldn't keep my dreams alive, I couldn't draw a clean line, couldn't rewind too late.

01:17:19.962 --> 01:17:23.533
So much for fate, so much for feeling.
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Meet Coach Jeremy – the mastermind behind Weird & Strong who sports a kaleidoscope of expertise, blending strength, mindset, and nutrition into a powerful trifecta for a vibrant life.

With a mission that's all about maxing out life's awesomeness without compromising long-term health. Simply put, he's not your everyday coach.

Jeremy’s approach is a cocktail of serious strength training (for that superhero feeling), practical mindset tools (to turn dreams from 'maybe' to 'heck yes!'), and straightforward nutrition advice (because who needs complicated food rules?).

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