114 | Your Body is a Practice, Just Like Your Music with Janis Isaman

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like okay, but when did that come into play?

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but and it'll go away.

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I hope so.

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I really hope so, because it's such a victim-y thing there's nothing I've seen yet that doesn't go away, right?

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because?

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Because at the end of it, we have our fundamentals, we have to sleep, we have to eat vegetables, we have to.

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I say have to, we do have to well, we don't.

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Well, I mean we should, right, and it's just like move your body, but it's boring to people so they're kind of like looking for that angle of what's next and how do we hook the audience and how do we?

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Title this, and and how do we?

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and this is such.

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This is a really relevant topic of conversation because you're seeing a lot of that married now with the music and there's's this like there's this thing going around, especially in certain sub genres like the Midwest emo scene.

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I don't even have to say anymore.

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But you get it, guys, you don't even have to know what that is to be like.

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Oh yeah, that makes sense.

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Where they like glorify victimhood, which is just like ridiculous.

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I just realized we don't have our teas.

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This is ludicrous.

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Uh-oh.

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All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Under the Radar Secrets to Success for the Independent Musician and really any music maker, as a topic of discussion here with my dear friend and longtime colleague Puro if I will, a Puro of mine Janice Eisenman, and we're talking posture in all senses of the imagination, and I think that that can be related back to the fact that the lifestyle of the typical rock star, indie rock star, is not conducive to what we know in the health and wellness space.

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What would you say?

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That's the nicest way I could say it.

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That was very politically correct.

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Wow, you're very.

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Yeah, that's the most politically correct you'll ever get out of me.

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Very politically correct.

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Yeah, that's the most politically correct you'll ever get out of me ever.

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What would you say is like the number one thing about posture in general that the general public just doesn't understand, because we continue to sit at desks for eight to 10 to 12 hours a day thinking, oh, this is going to be good long--term success.

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What?

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What are the ramifications of this?

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Well, there's a lot of ramifications which I'll get to in a second, but I think I am highly certified in Pilates and people come to me and say I need to work on my core and I have a skeleton in my studio and I always have a moment where we have the.

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You know, it doesn't actually even matter to me if they're a nurse or musician.

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I ask what they know about anatomy.

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A lot of people just say nothing.

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Some people say you know, I know quite a bit but I always go through it in the same way, so that we sort of have a baseline.

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But I always go through it in the same way, so that we sort of have a baseline.

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But what I would say I'm going to be politically correct is most people actually have no idea what they're talking about when they say the core, Like they have no idea.

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Yeah, so I think what happened in the 1990s, which was a minute ago, was that Pilates burst onto the scene.

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The word core became popular.

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We've seen other things.

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In fact, we were just talking about that, that kind of pop into pop culture.

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Then the whole industry pivots to start using that word.

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It just became a replacement for the word abs.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And so when we're talking about posture, people know that the core is related, but they don't have any anatomy, they don't have any kind of information to back up what they're saying.

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So it's kind of like taking a marble six-pack and kind of strapping it on in their mind.

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It's like let's just fix this.

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I had one of those.

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I had like the Ninja Turtle.

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He had a little six-pack.

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And it's always like the puffy on the inside.

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I'm not sure what goes into making that, but that's creative.

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It's literally the same thing that people have in their mind, so nothing goes into making it.

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No, nothing.

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Error.

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So posture has nothing to do with having a six pack or an eight pack, and there are people who genuinely come to me and they're concerned that that's the outcome.

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Right, and it really a lot of.

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It is in your hips, yeah.

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Which I mean just thinking about that, whether you're standing, whether you're sitting for long periods of time, the hips are always going to be engaged or disengaged.

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More accurately, if you think about it being a drummer, there's a really, really great drum mechanics His Instagram, brandon Green, unbelievably anatomical in his explanations.

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Oh, that's awesome.

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It's incredible.

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I'll definitely like he'll be on the show.

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Oh, that's awesome.

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It's incredible.

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I'll definitely like he'll be on the show.

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Brandon, I'm coming for you.

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We've gone back and forth and he's just so.

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I believe that it's going way over the top of most musicians' heads, but at least it's knowledge.

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That's like go learn.

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Right, Go learn this Like if it's over your head, don't make me dumb down the stuff that you need to know.

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That's for your own well-being.

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But when we're talking about that, that like this is the typical thing either, like the drums are up here, or like we're reaching, we're doing these things, and then dave girl like this yes, all these things get that what I call the hedgehog posture.

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Oh yeah, right, which you know that's.

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Every job has limitations, where your posture and your body is not your focus, even if you're using your body.

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So that's a fun trick of the human body is it will do whatever we ask it to do.

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For sure.

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And it will basically completely override any sense of any other species biomechanical abilities to do it which is, which is amazing, but I think that we're.

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What can happen is that we can end up in body pain and discomfort, and even aesthetic concerns will pop up and we just are like what?

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yeah, no, and that that happens all the time.

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You see it.

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You see it over a course of even a mini tour to bc, like we're talking four or five days and being cramped up in a van, cramped up in a car, yeah, flying even, whatever it is.

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If you stay in one position for too long, it shows in more than one way.

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So when we, when we talk about let's, let's stick with the hips, what kind of things do you see in your line of work that is a result of just poor posture, like in the hips, what kind of things can it?

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lead well and to be to be clear, that's a circle that's a cycle, so the poor posture is due to hip compression and then from setting compression turns into yes yes, yeah.

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So that cycle and that spiral.

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People will come in with neck pain, they'll come in with trap pain, shoulder pain.

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They'll come in with aesthetic concerns of sunken shoulders or you know lots of people will kind of complain about getting a lump or a hump in their back.

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Get the dowlers Right.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And then just you know it can can lead to.

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This is outside of my scope of practice, but people will talk about poor digestion and lack of energy and being tired all the time, and that actually is in scope in terms of if you are slumped over, you can't breathe.

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Yeah, so your lungs and all the musculature in the rib cage are really they get stuck.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I'm so glad you said that too, cause one of the things I wanted to talk about today, too, that we're seeing just bombarded with on social media is, like everybody seems to be a professional right now, and that's why I really wanted to see, I really wanted to sit down with you to be like we're debunking the myth of following the Instagram highlights.

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Stop that now.

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It's especially important when it comes to things like this, where you're talking about a mechanical system and now people are talking oh well, now I'm a trauma specialist and now I'm a mentalist, and now I can actually turn cookies into chardonnay, like it's.

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Like you know, we laugh and we're not far from that.

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No, totally, totally.

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So for people listening right now that have never heard that scope of practice, what exactly is it that Janice Asman does?

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What is the scope of practice?

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My scope of practice is relatively big because I have, at this point I have 17 different certifications.

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Forever student over here.

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Like this is a fact.

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What?

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What scope of practice means is you have a when you take your coursework and you certify in something, you stay there.

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So if the only thing that you've ever taken as a personal trainer is biomechanics, anatomy and some muscle movements, you do not talk to clients about nutrition and trauma and mental health and things like that.

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Yeah.

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I do have certifications in nutrition as well as mental health, so those things become a broadened scope of practice.

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But you know, it's really about professional responsibility.

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So I see things on the internet.

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Goodness, oh God, we got there.

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We got there, guys, and only 15 minutes in All right.

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It's just what I see happening out.

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There is just these quick fix solutions, when the real, the real solution is actually you have to get to know your body, you have to take the time to actually feel the sensations and to understand a bit of anatomy and to really you know we wouldn't buy a car and just look for the quick fix.

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You're going to take it to somebody who's a professional?

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You might do some reading, but you're not going to open the hood and just be like oh, I'm just going to move this.

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Well, hey, I looked at, I took shop class in grade seven, so like it's basically mechanics degree, right, like I can, I can fix this.

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What could possibly go wrong?

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Or just, you know, listening to some trendy information.

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So there is genuinely good information on the internet.

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The problem is that there is more bad information than good information.

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So someone like myself I know you, you have dabbled in this world as well but one of the bigger pieces as well is that I actually see clients.

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So I see what is, I see patterns, I see people trying to solve things.

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I get live feedback on that.

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So it's not living in this theoretical box of school or education, it's real human bodies and the vast majority of people I work with have jobs where they sit and sitting is.

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I mean, there's research paper after research paper about it.

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It's really really, really, really, really, really, really hard on your body.

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It's so hard and people have a hard time when I'm having that conversation.

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They have a hard time understanding that because but I'm not doing anything.

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I'm like exactly.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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So you know I'm not an anthropology expert, but I know this from the coursework that I have taken that there is.

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This is the only time in all of human history that we have the luxury of not having to move.

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Wow, yeah, so you know, I've read.

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I've read the number very slightly, but basically we had to walk 26 kilometers to get food in our, in our history.

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And that's, that's based on studies of modern hunter gatherers, who arguably probably are resourced even better than their predecessors.

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I was reading last night that the hunter gatherer women spent 20 hours a week foraging for food, and you know, when we really think about the luxuries that are afforded to us right now, our food can literally be delivered to the door where we step from this couch right here over to the door 20 steps and grab a spoon and get it in right, and so I think that that's probably one of the biggest misconceptions is that exercise at the gym can override all of this.

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Sitting Of course.

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Yeah, and it's just not true.

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What are you talking about?

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One hour, one hour a day, right?

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Right, and no, no.

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And so now there are research papers coming out to say, no, um, there was this really fun one last year that they caused a stir in the industry groups but about how you can do.

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They're calling them a calf pushups, but essentially the motion of lifting your heel does a lot for your body.

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So there's a, there's a whole system down there that I mean, if you think about it, basically a hydraulic system.

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We got a little grease down there, and so a recommendation, if you literally can't get up and you can't move, is to do some quote unquote calf pushups and of course, the internet exploded because it shouldn't be called a pushup and this and that and whatever.

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But you know that's a.

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That's actually a good example where there's a difference between sitting and not moving a single muscle and moving a muscle In this case the soleus, which is a muscle in your calf is responsible for the, for the general goodness of it.

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And so I think we kind of have to strike this balance between little tips like that that are kind of hacks and shortcuts et cetera, and actually just recognizing okay, the most important thing you can do for your posture and for your hips and for your body in general is actually to get up.

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You have to move.

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So there's no workout I can give a single client ever that's going to kind of circumvent a sedentary lifestyle.

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So I say this to people all the time and I can't emphasize it enough it's one thing if you're doing a road trip to Vancouver, and that's just the way it is, but it's another thing that becomes your lifestyle.

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So we all have 168 hours in our week.

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If you spend one to two with me or any other practitioner or at the gym by yourself, you can not use two hours a week to override the 160.

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No, no, it's seven that you're not doing that it's mind-blowing to, even when you if you were to say that just out of context to somebody anything else okay, I really want to get good at guitar.

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Okay, great, how much are you playing?

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Well, I pick it up like 20 minutes a week.

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I'm like, okay, it's gonna take you that much longer.

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And because there there's, there's this, also this other I'd love to get your thoughts on this with reps, when we talk both exercise reps and and and the reps that we put in here, people think it's all about this 10,000 hour thing and I'm like, well, yeah, and it's, it's a progressive, just as, as you would exercise progressively, it's a it's a progressive.

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You have to have like certain, like accountability, checkpoints and hiring the right people and doing all of the things, cause, yeah, you can go learn to swim by just like getting dunked into the pool, but if you go and you do the research and then qualify yourself with like a professional that can teach you the proper way to do these things, you accelerate that learning curve so much faster and you're not drowning, and that's that's maybe.

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That's maybe.

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That's the metaphor I was going for here.

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I don't know why, why the water came up, but what are your thoughts on, on people short cutting this stuff.

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And then, when they do, they just spend hours and hours and hours in almost circles because they're they're.

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They're not focused on the actual, especially with posture there.

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Well, I'm exercising and there's no real plan, but they feel really good because they're exercising.

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So I mean, I think I think you make a couple of points there that are worth talking about.

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One is there's nothing wrong with feeling good about exercising.

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So I think that we do have to be a bit careful in in our industry about saying it all has to have a goal and an outcome and you have to improve 1% every day, cause that's not realistic for a lot of people either.

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So if your life isn't, your goal isn't to become a bodybuilder, sometimes, good enough is good enough.

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And the human body is really built to accommodate for that principle, like we're all alive, even if you eat pizza.

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Pockets last week, right?

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Which should kill you.

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I should not have gotten out of my teenage years.

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I'll tell you that first Holy smokes.

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Right.

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So so keep that principle in mind and then.

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So, with that principle in mind, it's mind blowing how complicated people make this.

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So I think that you know, at the end of it, taking a walk is going to do a lot for your body and your posture and your mental health and all the things.

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But yet people kind of dive into like what's the?

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What's the hack?

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That's actually buried 25 layers deep.

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That would be really helpful for somebody who's training for high level athletics.

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Yeah.

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So I think that we kind of create this scenario where it becomes really, really confusing to people and then they really expect instant results.

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So I think that that's probably the biggest thing that I fight is that we can.

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We can create a lot of instant results in feeling better, having more energy, getting out of pain.

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But if that's where you started, there's a lot of work to be done because you got into that place in the first place and there's that.

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You know.

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That's not a critique or criticism of somebody who's like that but it's not it's not this growth curve.

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Where you go from, you can do a couch to 5k program in six weeks, but that's probably not a sustainable growth curve.

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And so looking for a professional who can actually program that, and for me and my work, there's, you know, number one we get out of pain.

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I am not building strength or any kind of endurance on top of pain.

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That's just not happening and that can be really frustrating for people because pain reduction programs tend to be very rehabilitative, therapeutic.

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That's where we're going to be into our, you know, yin yogas and our yamina body rolling.

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It's boring, it's not sexy.

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Come on, I want to pump it up.

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Yeah, and then the next phase is going to be learning what a muscle activation feels like and what the skeleton can actually hold.

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And when you get into things like reps, the way that I work and again I'm, you know, biased because I'm coming from a Pilates model but you go until the form is bad, and for some people sometimes that's three.

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I'm not, I'm not.

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I don't have kind of like a chart where I'm like we do three sets of 12 reps because if the person is actually failing so let's say we're doing a spinal rotation and the movement is supposed to come from the abs if that pops up into the shoulders, yeah we may not stop that instant, but we're not going to give that another eight reps to because you're programming the poor movement which look at these threads, because all we do as drummers, as guitarists, as keyboardists is repetitive strain.

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It's it's just opening that whole can of worms and that's the biggest thing that we see physically.

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That leads to the mental game that leads to like all of the things that you hear in social media.

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You know your anxieties, your depressions and all of these real, real things, but they stem from the fact that these people think that that's the way it has to be.

00:19:34.008 --> 00:19:39.127
Oh, I'm a drummer, so, like my hips are supposed to hurt after 45 minutes of a set.

00:19:39.127 --> 00:19:42.575
Duh, no, it's not supposed to be like that.

00:19:42.575 --> 00:19:46.320
No, don't accept that.

00:19:46.320 --> 00:19:46.682
Right, yeah, what?

00:19:46.682 --> 00:19:49.909
What would you say regarding the, the over strain and the repetitive motions?

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Is there a way that we can combat that?

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Is there a way to strengthen?

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Is there?

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Is it an endurance thing?

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Where are we at?

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It depends on what you need to be doing and how often you're doing it, but basically, my philosophy is that you always have to do things that counteract it.

00:20:08.742 --> 00:20:14.854
So, first and foremost, where is that load going, you know?

00:20:14.854 --> 00:20:24.231
So we get sore body parts because something is either overworking or out of balance, basically, um.

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So you know that's going to be hard in an area like a wrist, where that, that just is what it is in a certain level.

00:20:31.607 --> 00:20:35.644
But you're going to have to look at your whole setup.

00:20:35.644 --> 00:20:39.094
So you know, how are you sitting, how are you holding?

00:20:39.655 --> 00:20:39.896
That's.

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That's a really good point.

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A lot of people think, oh, it's in the wrist, it's in the wrist and I can't do too much more because I don't have that much.

00:20:47.050 --> 00:20:52.366
And for anybody watching this video part, it's like I don't have that kind of flexibility.

00:20:52.366 --> 00:20:54.819
It's excellent because what's upstream, that's right.

00:20:54.819 --> 00:20:56.502
That's probably actually the problem.

00:20:56.502 --> 00:21:03.511
Yeah Right, wings like the, the elbow out here for drummers like tuck that thing in, like what, what is this like?

00:21:03.511 --> 00:21:04.554
Now we're pulling from the shoulder.

00:21:04.554 --> 00:21:06.936
We're wondering why the shoulders are all out.

00:21:06.936 --> 00:21:08.839
Right, so it's the upstream, downstream.

00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:12.372
You want to speak to that like what do you typically see with with that?

00:21:12.953 --> 00:21:14.259
yeah, I mean the whole thing.

00:21:14.259 --> 00:21:18.023
And again, this is this is my lensing um it's a system.

00:21:18.023 --> 00:21:24.593
So whatever joint muscle bones you're moving around, that is not in isolation.

00:21:24.593 --> 00:21:35.213
So it's very rare, unless you're doing very specific kinds of bodybuilding, that you're really digging into building one muscle only.

00:21:35.213 --> 00:21:44.509
So, even talking to you, you know there's a lot of muscles happening here and there's a lot of movements happening here, everything from our hands to feet to facial muscles.

00:21:44.650 --> 00:21:48.364
It's not just one muscle, even sitting vertically.

00:21:48.364 --> 00:21:54.021
So we have to look at where things kind of get stuck and where they're flowing.

00:21:54.021 --> 00:21:58.673
And it's going to be a little bit individual for individual bodies and skeletons.

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So you know, I couldn't actually say if that elbow should be up or down, but I can say if there's pain I'm going to look a joint down and I'm going to look a joint up and it might be a couple of joints up.

00:22:10.176 --> 00:22:14.346
So often anything in the hand we're really going to look at the shoulder.

00:22:14.627 --> 00:22:16.319
Yeah, and especially for the folks.

00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:23.712
I'm assuming you know you're getting a lot of corporate, a lot of executive, a lot of sit, sit, sit, sit, sit and they're like what do you typically see?

00:22:23.712 --> 00:22:25.134
What are the symptoms involved?

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Is it slouch?

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Is it like the like?

00:22:31.741 --> 00:22:56.811
What drives people usually to come to me is that they have pain, and they've usually been to a whole bunch of other practitioners that genuinely can create pain relief, but the thing comes back and people eventually get sick of being like, okay, I need four chiropractic appointments a month and two massage therapy appointments a month is something is kind of more systemically off, and so if it's, if it's in the back, anything up the spine, the first place, I'm going to look at somebody's hips.

00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:05.473
Because that's it for sure, like drummers, like guaranteed it's back's, so sore I'm like it's not your back, it's not, it's not your back.

00:23:05.473 --> 00:23:09.171
Go see, jen, yeah, it's not your back.

00:23:09.412 --> 00:23:14.006
And anything that's in the shoulders, or even the elbow, the hand it's.

00:23:14.006 --> 00:23:20.063
It's gonna take you by surprise, but yeah, we're going into the hips first, and and and.

00:23:20.063 --> 00:23:25.594
Then there's a whole piece usually of developing body awareness skills.

00:23:26.082 --> 00:23:27.559
And that can happen like really quickly.

00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:31.310
But what are you actually experiencing when you move?

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Where do you feel it?

00:23:32.904 --> 00:23:33.788
What are you feeling?

00:23:33.788 --> 00:23:38.892
And for most people, we've had zero practice with that in our entire life.

00:23:38.892 --> 00:23:41.729
So that's how I actually program people.

00:23:42.681 --> 00:23:45.167
Everybody who comes in does kind of a similar.

00:23:45.167 --> 00:23:47.281
We're called a movement test.

00:23:47.281 --> 00:23:58.101
Although you can't really fail, um, I watch people do certain movements, so we're going to think about our squats or lunges, something to the side, um, and it's all hips focused.

00:23:58.101 --> 00:24:03.696
So what I'm really looking at is how are your quads functioning?

00:24:03.696 --> 00:24:05.430
How are you moving load from the foot to the quad?

00:24:05.430 --> 00:24:06.280
How are your hamstrings functioning?

00:24:06.280 --> 00:24:06.279
How are you moving load from the foot to the quad?

00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:08.125
How are your hamstrings functioning?

00:24:08.125 --> 00:24:10.592
How about the outside and how about the inside?

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And then the whole time I'm having a dialogue.

00:24:13.086 --> 00:24:14.628
This is what my eyes see.

00:24:14.628 --> 00:24:15.692
What do you feel?

00:24:15.692 --> 00:24:18.928
I don't have to be right about it, but what's your experience of that?

00:24:18.928 --> 00:24:31.291
And right there, people suddenly just have a completely changed experience of what's happening, because they they recognize, oh yeah, that shoulder pain is actually driving from the head and then.

00:24:31.619 --> 00:24:45.961
And then we have I mean, every musician knows this, you all know this there is music, provided it's not a solo, is about a balance of the different pieces, the different instruments, the different instruments, the different sound, the different volume.

00:24:45.961 --> 00:24:57.790
So you know, if we're sitting all day, 99% of people end up with the quads screaming it's and we've got to change that dial, it's way out of balance.

00:24:57.790 --> 00:25:03.490
And 99% of those same people end up with nothing in the inner thigh, the adductor group.

00:25:03.490 --> 00:25:06.619
I shouldn't say nothing because they can stand.

00:25:06.779 --> 00:25:10.030
They can stand, but it's bare bones.

00:25:10.030 --> 00:25:15.452
But the function when you actually apply load to it is minimal, if not zero.

00:25:15.452 --> 00:25:33.121
And that's the point of when I was working in it full time that we'd have these recreational softballers that rip groins and they would split their hamstrings and they wonder because they're I'm like, okay, well, just walk me through what happened.

00:25:33.161 --> 00:25:34.945
Well, I took a swing at a ball.

00:25:34.945 --> 00:25:36.128
Did you warm up at all?

00:25:36.128 --> 00:25:37.941
No, I just got up there I had a beer in my hand.

00:25:37.941 --> 00:25:49.604
I'm like, okay, yeah, good, start, sticks it, rip at a ball, misses completely and then like sprints down the line like he was a you know eight years old again.

00:25:49.604 --> 00:25:53.593
And when was the last time you sprinted right, do you like?

00:25:54.623 --> 00:26:19.580
but we don't think about this, so I want to bring that back to a question you asked earlier and you know, when we're talking about our musicians, a drummer has different functional needs than a guitarist, than a vocalist a vocalist is probably going to be standing yeah when performing a drummer is seated and there's a lot more arm movement, a vocalist if she's female, likely is wearing high heeled shoes.

00:26:19.580 --> 00:26:20.804
Yeah, that's gonna.

00:26:20.864 --> 00:26:37.692
That's gonna change it versus and the story you just told me of somebody who's doing basically a plyometric high-performance exercise we have very different functional needs out of that, and so we have to, in all exercise, prep the body for the load and the job that it needs to do.

00:26:37.692 --> 00:26:42.009
Those jobs and loads are going to be different.

00:26:42.009 --> 00:26:58.493
So when we take my corporate execs, they just want to not have pain and so we don't need to prep for we're going to take a drumstick and beat it on an animal skin as fast as we can, as hard as we can for hours at a time.

00:27:00.040 --> 00:27:25.711
So that stuff becomes super important in terms of your programming and that's why we don't want to get internet information, because the six steps to healing carpal tunnel syndrome are going to actually be very different for a corporate executive who first of all has the problem from a keyboard, but also the task that that person needs to do is fundamentally different.

00:27:25.711 --> 00:27:33.980
They you know drumming is actually a great example because you actually you have force and load that you need to apply, and it's I mean.

00:27:33.980 --> 00:27:37.230
You might have that happening occasionally in a corporate office.

00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:44.053
Depending on what this wolf on wall street, I guess, could be.

00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:45.682
But probably not.

00:27:45.702 --> 00:27:46.545
We are in Calgary.

00:27:46.545 --> 00:27:48.250
It's pretty heated Right.

00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:51.890
I'm like short of a temper tantrum, right?

00:27:51.890 --> 00:28:01.165
So I think that all programming has to start with what is it that you're requiring your body to do, and how do you move load through this machine?

00:28:01.346 --> 00:28:05.374
which actually will basically forgive almost anything you want to do to it.

00:28:05.374 --> 00:28:13.244
And then we're going to have to look at how is it all coordinated, how, what and what's the balance in the muscle groups?

00:28:13.244 --> 00:28:25.451
Because you just gave a great example when we overdevelop the quads because we're seated too much, we're probably going to actually have to do a lot of work on the inner thighs, the adductor groups and lots on the hamstrings.

00:28:25.451 --> 00:28:31.063
And then I got lots of people who just roll the crap out of their IT bands, thinking that that's going to solve it.

00:28:31.063 --> 00:28:33.192
But it's probably at your glutes.

00:28:33.192 --> 00:28:36.502
We got to get some core strength going on there.

00:28:36.983 --> 00:28:46.962
And then we have to get actual muscular balance when you walk and you sit and you stand, and I and I use those as kind of the foundations for everything to build on in everyone.

00:28:47.243 --> 00:28:49.628
Yeah, that that raises a really good.

00:28:49.628 --> 00:28:55.954
Uh, coming back to the common misconceptions, especially fueled by the internet, what are, if you had to?

00:28:55.954 --> 00:28:57.319
Here's the fun section.

00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:01.589
Here, guys, three exercises you got to stop doing or not even exercise.

00:29:01.589 --> 00:29:04.203
The three things you got to stop listening to the internet about.

00:29:04.203 --> 00:29:08.375
Come on, Can you to three I mean part two coming up.

00:29:08.375 --> 00:29:10.160
Okay, guys, we're gonna have to cut.

00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:22.580
Cut for a commercial here okay, the one that's really bothering me right now and it's because I actually do have trauma therapy certifications is that there are exercises to quote, unquote, heal trauma.

00:29:22.580 --> 00:29:23.445
Explain that like I don't know what's what.

00:29:23.445 --> 00:29:25.296
Okay, well let's, let's unpack that so there there are exercises to quote unquote heal trauma.

00:29:25.296 --> 00:29:25.880
Explain that I don't know.

00:29:26.660 --> 00:29:27.123
What, what?

00:29:27.183 --> 00:29:36.307
okay, well, let's, let's unpack that, so there so there there are actual programs that are kind of being put out there by grifty type folks who, who?

00:29:36.307 --> 00:29:36.990
I mean I?

00:29:36.990 --> 00:30:00.080
I I'm sure that they don't actually have certifications, but basically the concept is, if you open a certain muscle or open a certain area of the body like a hip opener, that that you will no longer how you'll be healed from your trauma, and I don't actually know what the mechanism that they're selling is, because I'm just like now you're getting grifted.

00:30:00.501 --> 00:30:21.857
But I think second to that is this idea that the body stores something whether it's emotions or trauma or pain and that, if you, you know, it's kind of like this concept where you could you just open a door and let it out or open up a pirate's chest and there's the gold.

00:30:21.938 --> 00:30:22.901
Oh, here, here we are.

00:30:23.221 --> 00:30:24.464
Let's take the pain out of the hip.

00:30:24.484 --> 00:30:26.108
Well, well, shit, just open that chest up.

00:30:26.108 --> 00:30:27.592
Why didn't I do that 40 years ago?

00:30:29.443 --> 00:30:39.286
So I think this idea is actually really it's coming from like a consumer mindset, where it's a tangible thing that we can go find.

00:30:39.286 --> 00:30:46.326
And then that leads to the third one, which is three simple exercises, to I don't know name it.

00:30:46.579 --> 00:30:50.750
It's to heal this or to prevent that, or whatever.

00:30:50.890 --> 00:30:54.586
And you know, end of the day, your skeleton and my skeleton are totally different.

00:30:54.586 --> 00:30:56.921
What we're doing in the day is different.

00:30:56.921 --> 00:31:00.307
You have a giant dog, I don't you know, et cetera.

00:31:00.307 --> 00:31:21.036
And so the idea that every program could just be boiled down into well, we're both going to do this thing and it's going to heal this or prevent that or whatever, isn't true, because our starting point is not the same tries to distill.

00:31:21.036 --> 00:31:25.359
I mean, first of all, a lot of the information on tiktok, and I did see a study about it.

00:31:25.921 --> 00:31:43.323
it's more information is not true than is true wow, yeah so you know you're, you're in a pool of 25, fact and 75 somewhere between total bullshit and not quite yeah clickbait, hook, you know, call it what you will.

00:31:43.403 --> 00:31:45.857
it's just something to get the attention for those 15 seconds.

00:31:45.857 --> 00:31:49.246
Yeah, totally, and what I can say for sure is.

00:31:49.606 --> 00:31:52.593
You know, my Pilates certification was 800 hours.

00:31:52.593 --> 00:31:55.489
I can't distill that into 15 seconds.

00:31:55.489 --> 00:32:04.022
I can't create like a here's a quick reel that's just going to totally tell you everything I know, and so that's.

00:32:04.022 --> 00:32:07.202
I think that's where some of those things come from.

00:32:07.644 --> 00:32:22.306
Oh yeah, it's all consumerism, it's, it's, and it's unfortunate because it plays into like we're talking about serious things of physical wellness, trauma, emotional, mental capacity from people completely unqualified.

00:32:22.405 --> 00:32:23.327
Absolutely Right.

00:32:23.327 --> 00:32:39.846
I think that one of the roots of that problem really is that the way that we learn about our bodies in I think it's junior high, maybe high school if you did biology is very divorced from our actual body.

00:32:39.846 --> 00:32:45.487
So you're looking at pictures, you memorize a bunch of names, if you even got that part.

00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.163
I don't even think I did no, like it was mostly other animals.

00:32:49.163 --> 00:32:55.726
Like, actually, yeah, yeah, I believe you, it was like frogs and shit and I was like, well, what about my body?

00:32:55.726 --> 00:32:56.750
Has anything to do with this?

00:32:56.750 --> 00:32:59.523
Yeah, I learned more from growing up on the farm.

00:32:59.523 --> 00:33:03.790
Honestly, I learned way more from like, oh, that's needed for this.

00:33:03.790 --> 00:33:06.375
Like trial and error, you can't close the fence.

00:33:06.375 --> 00:33:10.182
Well, you're going to have to.

00:33:10.182 --> 00:33:12.574
You know, like it was literally like that, or you're going to have to walk a mile through the slough.

00:33:12.574 --> 00:33:13.740
Figure it out Right.

00:33:13.740 --> 00:33:18.026
Like, oh, this, if I use more like, I literally.

00:33:18.026 --> 00:33:25.907
I remember being stuck in a slough and my rubber boot was ready to come off and I knew, okay, I have to tip.

00:33:25.907 --> 00:33:28.223
I didn't know what it was, but I learned it much later.

00:33:28.223 --> 00:33:37.861
As a, as a cyclist, I had to tip this down to engage my glute all the way up and the glute pulled the boot out and the heel, uh, knocked in the back of the boot.

00:33:37.861 --> 00:33:42.411
So it was like I remember that, but that's like, right, how many me.

00:33:43.361 --> 00:33:44.605
Put that on TikTok Mike.

00:33:44.605 --> 00:33:45.048
I know yeah.

00:33:46.161 --> 00:33:47.084
Let's go out to the slough.

00:33:47.084 --> 00:33:49.049
Guys Rubber boots.

00:33:49.049 --> 00:33:52.849
I'm going to line up four feet of water and try to get out of this slough.

00:33:52.849 --> 00:33:56.188
Watch me, that would probably actually get some clicks.

00:33:56.188 --> 00:33:57.029
It would actually.

00:33:57.500 --> 00:34:05.730
So we take something that people basically know close to nothing about, or whatever we do know about, it is very it's from a textbook.

00:34:05.730 --> 00:34:18.271
It has nothing to do with our actual rights and responsibilities of owning a human body and, you know, teenagers don't actually realize what's about to come.

00:34:18.271 --> 00:34:31.744
So even if we did have this big module where we're like, okay, let's feel the body sensations, let's learn about how we kind of scale all this, this is stuff that most people really don't give a crap about until they're about 35 yeah when it hurts.

00:34:31.905 --> 00:34:32.626
Yeah when it hurts.

00:34:32.666 --> 00:34:42.481
That's the reactive and then, and then you need to figure out what to do about it, and it's both a really complex system and a really easy one.

00:34:42.681 --> 00:34:54.543
Just, you know, I'm not a doctor, I don't have to kind of take on these extreme medical cases that end up in, yeah, in the new england journal of medicine, yeah, um.

00:34:54.543 --> 00:34:58.237
So you know, at the end of it it's how are you moving load through?

00:34:58.237 --> 00:34:59.760
How are you coordinating the movement?

00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:04.652
How is how does that concert and the orchestra sound?

00:35:04.652 --> 00:35:05.673
Basically really.

00:35:05.673 --> 00:35:14.313
But we get a lot of misinformation on the internet because people are looking for those clicks.

00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:21.632
There's all these podcasts out right now that are two hours long, not naming any names, but they're not.

00:35:21.632 --> 00:35:28.068
They're usually men and they often have some kind of scientific or medical program.

00:35:28.068 --> 00:35:40.009
The problem with those tends to be, you know, I heard a little clip from one yesterday and they're just kind of rattling off all these supplements and all these hormones and all these things.

00:35:40.009 --> 00:35:43.302
And then people are like, oh my God, this is so complicated, I can't do this.

00:35:43.302 --> 00:35:52.010
And then they head over to tech talk to learn their three secrets to doing it and the middle way to this it's not going to listen to, to our podcast.

00:35:52.010 --> 00:35:53.293
That other than this, of course.

00:35:53.701 --> 00:35:57.286
Well, I mean, this is the exception, right, there's always an exception to the rule, guys.

00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:01.407
But even when you're listening to podcasts you don't want to be.

00:36:01.407 --> 00:36:11.322
You know it's not science class, it's not medical level stuff, and I think that a lot of those podcasters get a lot of their audience is like I don't really understand this.

00:36:11.322 --> 00:36:12.623
So it must be amazing.

00:36:12.623 --> 00:36:15.670
Yeah, Um, that's not the way.

00:36:15.670 --> 00:36:21.324
The way also is not doing your 15 second TikTok clip.

00:36:21.766 --> 00:36:23.994
It's like take multiple things.

00:36:23.994 --> 00:36:28.454
If you enjoy the TikTok stuff cool, find the stuff that like, resonates.

00:36:28.454 --> 00:36:28.775
Yes.

00:36:28.775 --> 00:36:32.313
If you like the podcast, find the stuff that resonates.

00:36:32.313 --> 00:36:34.056
And then do your own damn research.

00:36:34.056 --> 00:36:37.244
Yes, it's like, try it out for yourself.

00:36:37.244 --> 00:36:37.985
It's like try it out for yourself.

00:36:38.005 --> 00:37:02.271
The thing that pisses me off a lot and this happens in the music industry a lot with business is that you'll have somebody go to a seminar and it's taught that this XYZ is going to be the best thing for every indie artist, and now that person not only does it, or maybe doesn't even do it for themselves, but starts telling other people to do the thing that they haven't even really put into play.

00:37:02.271 --> 00:37:07.389
Right, and that when it's something simple like your business, there's going to be two outcomes.

00:37:07.389 --> 00:37:08.795
It's like, okay, it didn't work, it didn't work.

00:37:08.795 --> 00:37:27.599
But when it's like your lifestyle, when it's like supplements and things that are, we're talking about mental health, physical wellbeing, these we're talking about mental health, physical wellbeing, these these things are more than like okay, well, the, what are the ramifications?

00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:28.202
Does the, the?

00:37:28.202 --> 00:37:28.844
The risk outweigh the benefit?

00:37:33.264 --> 00:37:34.166
Yeah, take agency, please.

00:37:34.166 --> 00:37:39.333
Right, I think the most important tip or hack that I have is you have to do it and that's the part where people lose the plot.

00:37:39.373 --> 00:37:44.219
And what I'm saying when I say do it, I don't mean you need to start hitting the gym for an hour.

00:37:44.219 --> 00:37:57.141
No, so I mean even a single movement analysis session with someone like myself where you're actually dialoguing of this is what I see, this is what you feel, and you have to say it out loud.

00:37:57.141 --> 00:38:01.949
What you feel, and you have to say it out loud.

00:38:01.949 --> 00:38:05.119
My clients tell me they get more out of that piece of it than almost anything else, because at the end of it I don't.

00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:10.378
Actually I love all of my clients, but my goal isn't that people stay with me for the rest of their lives.

00:38:10.820 --> 00:38:37.733
What I'm hopeful that they do is they learn a little anatomy, but they learn a lot of body awareness and and then they develop a little practice that they can do, and that can be 15 minutes, it can be eight minutes, it can be an hour, and what I kind of find is um, there's a little bit of a sweet spot of change and this is just anecdotal, I don't think it's a there might be a study about it somewhere but around two hours a week.

00:38:37.733 --> 00:38:45.025
So if you want to kind of change things, it's about two hours a week and you can break that up into 15 minute sessions.

00:38:45.025 --> 00:38:47.251
You can do two one hour sessions.

00:38:47.251 --> 00:38:49.215
You can do one two hour session.

00:38:49.505 --> 00:38:54.036
Would you say like because you're saying it like that for for folks that aren't watching.

00:38:54.036 --> 00:38:55.327
It's like.

00:38:55.327 --> 00:38:58.213
Would you say it's more about the intention.

00:38:58.213 --> 00:39:04.885
Is it more about like I've been sitting for three hours, I'm going to get up and I'm going to move for 15 minutes?

00:39:04.885 --> 00:39:09.197
Is that going to help them with both the psyche and the actual physical part of it?

00:39:09.264 --> 00:39:19.938
Because there is actually research that shows that that more movement, even if it's in smaller chunks or less intense chunks, is going to be more helpful than kind of your one hour blocks.

00:39:19.938 --> 00:39:30.994
Now, that's within the context of you don't have specific fitness goals, so that statement does not apply if you want to do bodybuilding or you want to be a competitive rower.

00:39:31.074 --> 00:39:33.824
For our audience or talking about musicians, yeah.

00:39:33.824 --> 00:39:35.369
Like to get movement in.

00:39:35.369 --> 00:39:36.170
How do I like?

00:39:36.170 --> 00:39:37.393
I've got a busy lifestyle.

00:39:37.393 --> 00:39:42.282
I'm in the studio, I'm on the road, yes, how do I fit this in so that I'm not decrepit by 35?

00:39:42.302 --> 00:39:42.684
That's right.

00:39:42.684 --> 00:39:43.224
That's right.

00:39:43.224 --> 00:40:06.690
So the skill and the practice of learning to listen to your body is the one that you really need the practice in, and that can be done through yoga, that can be done through Pilates, that can be done there's a ton of different mind body modalities.

00:40:06.690 --> 00:40:09.800
But what that really roots you in is you're not going to sit on the couch until you have back pain because you're going to be like wait.

00:40:09.820 --> 00:40:10.483
I feel something familiar.

00:40:10.483 --> 00:40:10.804
I remember this.

00:40:10.804 --> 00:40:13.190
I remember this time to move.

00:40:13.590 --> 00:40:16.056
Yes, and so that's what actually gives you.

00:40:16.056 --> 00:40:20.601
I mean, what I'm saying sounds really simple, but it's really hard to get that practice started.

00:40:20.822 --> 00:40:21.083
For sure.

00:40:21.485 --> 00:40:30.760
And that's what's going to give you that self-agency and that self-knowledge that, literally, is going to carry you from whatever day and moment and age you are today to the time you die.

00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:38.862
Because, if you actually have specificity of oh, my shoulder feels a little bit funky, I need to do some stretches, you spend eight minutes doing it.

00:40:38.862 --> 00:40:42.958
Yeah, feels a little bit funky, I need to do some stretches, you spend eight minutes doing it.

00:40:43.018 --> 00:40:45.440
And you don't need a me or you or you know, the internet telling you little.

00:40:46.181 --> 00:40:53.887
So all of that information is intellectual and what what we really need is we need to get some embodied knowledge about our body.

00:40:53.887 --> 00:40:59.969
It helps a lot to kind of have a little bit of anatomy knowledge and a little bit of programming from somebody else.

00:40:59.969 --> 00:41:18.710
But if it's all coming from a book, where it's a program and you lift and you push and you do whatever you know it's, it's identical to music in terms of music is a lot more than just following what's on the page If you do not have your body in it, your emotions in it, you've got.

00:41:19.012 --> 00:41:19.673
You've got nothing.

00:41:19.905 --> 00:41:26.626
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's a big thing that I learned, Cause I I still to say that I sight read.

00:41:26.626 --> 00:41:28.193
Well, that would be a stretch.

00:41:28.193 --> 00:41:29.597
That would be a stretch.

00:41:29.597 --> 00:41:37.911
I learned by eyes up, watching the other players, and that's what you did in jazz, and that's why when I'm sitting down, I'm listening to all of the other parts.

00:41:37.911 --> 00:41:41.086
And how do I not step on those other parts?

00:41:41.086 --> 00:41:44.315
So for anybody listening it's like well, how do I put this into practice?

00:41:44.315 --> 00:41:48.094
Well, it's probably showing up in more areas than one.

00:41:48.094 --> 00:42:00.552
I'm a big believer in, like, if you're noticing that you're stepping on people's toes, you're interrupting them and you're doing these things as a musician, it's probably showing up in other relationships in your life, and especially with one of yourself.

00:42:00.552 --> 00:42:04.137
Right, what would you say if people are?

00:42:04.137 --> 00:42:06.987
Do you do any in your line of work?

00:42:06.987 --> 00:42:10.655
Do you do anything where you start to see the tendencies?

00:42:10.655 --> 00:42:16.411
These people come in fiery hot into a session and their body is also on fire.

00:42:16.411 --> 00:42:17.512
Oh, yeah, yeah, Okay.

00:42:17.512 --> 00:42:18.833
What's the relationship there for you?

00:42:19.175 --> 00:42:27.394
So the folks that come in hot are usually everything's fast, yeah, everything is a bypass out of the body.

00:42:27.394 --> 00:42:29.846
It's like let's do the thing we got to.

00:42:29.846 --> 00:42:33.255
Whatever the movement is, let's just do it and get it done.

00:42:33.255 --> 00:42:37.014
And so my biggest I mean you can see that coming in the door.

00:42:37.074 --> 00:42:37.355
Oh my God.

00:42:39.945 --> 00:42:40.125
Yeah, step.

00:42:40.125 --> 00:42:41.507
I mean you can see that coming in the door, step back for that.

00:42:41.507 --> 00:42:43.989
So I mean that's where I really put.

00:42:43.989 --> 00:42:50.976
I put brakes on that and that's so hard for people because it can be really an uncomfortable thing to actually sit in your body.

00:42:50.976 --> 00:42:52.579
That can be just really hard.

00:42:52.579 --> 00:42:55.021
So it's like we got to slow it down.

00:42:55.021 --> 00:43:06.411
I literally will set timers because it's like let's stay here for a minute.

00:43:06.327 --> 00:43:09.092
They're like trying to bust out, but they just but, they do it because that kind of personality also wants to do the thing.

00:43:09.092 --> 00:43:09.498
Yeah, and they want to do it right.

00:43:09.498 --> 00:43:11.110
Yeah, and they this is the accepting role right, okay?

00:43:11.570 --> 00:43:23.581
um, and I will say actually the musicians and affiliated industries that I have worked with as clients learn really fast, yeah, really fast.

00:43:23.581 --> 00:43:32.405
And I think it's because fundamentally, you cannot be a musician and be totally divorced from your own emotions and your own body experience.

00:43:32.405 --> 00:43:44.954
So what you're doing is you're imposing that kind of structure and routine, and everything you're doing in the music world actually literally replicates into the, into the body.

00:43:45.034 --> 00:43:46.802
So you're just learning another skill set.

00:43:46.802 --> 00:44:22.146
It's another instrument and it usually happens really quickly because you understand fundamentally the idea of balance, of listening, of yes applying that emotional piece to it, um, and when I say emotional piece to it, making things a little louder, a little softer dynamics of the actual song, that response and that's really like our body is really about taking load and responding to it, taking stress and responding to it, and so that's what you're doing in music.

00:44:22.688 --> 00:44:24.070
Absolutely, a hundred percent.

00:44:24.070 --> 00:44:34.987
Yeah, as, as soon as you were saying that, I went back into like I've been in rehearsals with that player that only has one volume and it's, it's not off.

00:44:34.987 --> 00:44:36.090
I'll tell you that much.

00:44:36.090 --> 00:44:50.396
Okay, it's just blaring, and then you know, we, we, maybe they, they're in the band and you're doing other things, and you notice that that is a trait that they have just in so many different levels of their life.

00:44:50.396 --> 00:45:06.306
Everything is a problem, everyone else is the problem generally, and I'm just I'm, and oftentimes I go back to like that person likely didn't get the kind of attention they needed when they were a kid, cause they're just like always on 11.

00:45:06.306 --> 00:45:14.490
Like they crank that and I'm like homie, like this is not like peel the paint off the walls kind of music, so it's yeah, we need.

00:45:14.532 --> 00:45:17.097
We need some nuance in a lot of areas of life.

00:45:17.097 --> 00:45:26.565
That is a fact, um, and I think musicians also understand the notion of practice, and so we use that term in yoga more than any other fitness discipline.

00:45:26.565 --> 00:45:38.527
If you consider yoga, fitness discipline but you know that's the idea of doing something for your body as a practice is so foreign in our culture because we talk about fitness.

00:45:38.527 --> 00:45:43.369
As you know, you got 1% better every day and you got to reach hashtag goals.

00:45:43.369 --> 00:45:46.936
What about the idea of just like practice?

00:45:46.936 --> 00:45:53.155
And you practice because you get a little bit more skill.

00:45:53.155 --> 00:45:55.967
You practice because you get a little bit more attunement.

00:45:55.967 --> 00:46:00.378
You practice because you get a little bit of energy.

00:46:02.148 --> 00:46:02.731
It brings up.

00:46:02.731 --> 00:46:23.750
Something I was just listening to before the conversation today this afternoon with Brendan Bouchard's book and high performers, and he talks about how there's just so much noise out there that we we feel the need to always be doing the thing, and practice actually brings up and cultivates a lot more.

00:46:23.750 --> 00:46:26.097
Um, it's too hard, you know.

00:46:26.097 --> 00:46:31.632
You said it earlier about we had to spend 20 hours a week foraging and now it's 20 minutes.

00:46:31.632 --> 00:46:34.458
You got your instacart right and I'm sitting there.

00:46:34.826 --> 00:46:42.025
I'm guilty as charged, but I utilize that in my life to be able to be more productive in the other areas.

00:46:42.025 --> 00:46:53.525
So that is actually a big and when I know, like when you're saying check in, one of the things that I do is I'll go out to the cafe, I'll go out to the store and get interaction with people.

00:46:53.525 --> 00:47:01.273
Because of the last four years it's been, everything is on a screen and I'm like no, I need real person, so I'll, I'll tune in before I do the order.

00:47:01.273 --> 00:47:04.255
I don't just like automatically go on to okay, I got to get my groceries.

00:47:04.255 --> 00:47:07.217
No, I'll be like is today a day that I walk and go get the groceries?

00:47:07.217 --> 00:47:08.559
Yeah, today's the day.

00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:10.702
All right, cool, glad we figured that out.

00:47:20.605 --> 00:47:24.632
So we're coming out of a long period of history that some folks are eager to stay in, but basically in the 1700s there's a philosopher named voltaire yes, that.

00:47:24.632 --> 00:47:43.027
That said basically that the mind is superior to the body and the mind is different than the body, and everything in our culture when it comes to the body or even mental health, is is is really reinforcing that whole thing until very recently.

00:47:43.668 --> 00:47:56.911
So you look at, even in the, you know, even go back 20 years and we had our quote unquote mind, body disciplines of Pilates and yoga, and that was it there was nothing else, and so I see these things coming closer and closer together.

00:47:56.911 --> 00:48:04.559
But at the end of the day, our body and our mind are interlinked and that we can't override one with the other.

00:48:04.860 --> 00:48:07.688
No, and we're getting information from our body all the time.

00:48:07.688 --> 00:48:15.074
So to me, you can't actually be a good musician if you are not connected to your body and if your body isn't screaming in pain.

00:48:15.074 --> 00:48:18.668
You're not connected to it because you missed some stuff on the way to the pain.

00:48:18.949 --> 00:48:19.168
Yeah.

00:48:19.809 --> 00:48:25.760
And your body signaled along the pathway like bodies, don't just suddenly go into.

00:48:26.125 --> 00:48:27.469
I was going to say can we touch on that?

00:48:27.469 --> 00:48:30.284
Because, like a lot of people have a misconstrued like.

00:48:30.284 --> 00:48:33.693
What I said earlier is like pain, pain is just the way it is.

00:48:33.693 --> 00:48:42.074
That's what it happens when you play drums like that and they wear it as a badge bomb and I'm sitting here going like it doesn't have to be that way if you don't want it to so like what?

00:48:42.074 --> 00:48:42.896
What is like?

00:48:42.896 --> 00:48:45.358
Can we define when you experience pain?

00:48:45.358 --> 00:48:46.320
What is that?

00:48:49.592 --> 00:48:50.918
What is your body saying?

00:48:50.918 --> 00:49:07.773
So your I mean your body's saying no, and I do want to preface that by saying again this is not within a medical context Like, yes, your body can instantly create an appendicitis attack and you can get into pain, but when we're talking about like chronic chronic biomechanical pain that's caused because you sit too much.

00:49:07.954 --> 00:49:12.596
that didn't happen overnight, so kind of a common story that all that all happened.

00:49:12.596 --> 00:49:19.231
Just to illustrate it as people come in and they're like oh you know, I slept funny and my neck is weird, or I reached for a door handle and threw my back out.

00:49:19.231 --> 00:49:22.056
Well, that's in your brain.

00:49:22.056 --> 00:49:24.766
You're very convinced that that was the root cause of the issue.

00:49:24.766 --> 00:49:30.269
But that wasn't the root cause of the issue, because at the end of it, if you reach for a door handle, you did a slight twist.

00:49:30.269 --> 00:49:33.925
You probably reached down slightly and then you applied some load.

00:49:34.367 --> 00:49:35.789
And if that threw your back out.

00:49:35.789 --> 00:49:42.695
There was a whole chain of things prior to that and again, I'm not talking about an impact injury where you got hit by a car.

00:49:42.755 --> 00:49:44.784
No, no, acute is totally different.

00:49:44.784 --> 00:49:48.731
Acute is totally different, yeah so what it really means.

00:49:48.932 --> 00:49:53.608
Most of the time and again, we never learned this, so it's not your fault if you don't know it.

00:49:53.608 --> 00:49:56.413
But what does a good body feel like?

00:49:56.413 --> 00:50:00.460
And I'm not talking about like men's fitness magazine.

00:50:04.367 --> 00:50:05.451
Three easy steps.

00:50:05.451 --> 00:50:08.153
Now we triple, double it down right.

00:50:08.153 --> 00:50:10.974
Three easy steps to get biceps like this.

00:50:10.974 --> 00:50:13.204
This is what a good body feels like.

00:50:13.465 --> 00:50:15.150
I feel like this is definitely going on the internet.

00:50:15.150 --> 00:50:18.271
Oh for sure, hey, this is, this is your fucking 10 ply bud.

00:50:18.271 --> 00:50:23.300
There See, we've got.

00:50:29.304 --> 00:50:29.726
Oh, my God, oh boy.

00:50:29.726 --> 00:50:30.427
So you know we're never taught.

00:50:30.427 --> 00:50:31.490
This is Actually here's my best example.

00:50:31.490 --> 00:50:42.885
So I teach yin yoga and in yin yoga it's a passive stretching for lack of a better word modality on the floor, floor, and you hold the positions for three to five minutes.

00:50:42.885 --> 00:50:57.954
They have some sensation, there is a stress to your tissues and when I start my class series I always go through some really kind of classic positions where people can actually feel the following.

00:50:58.476 --> 00:51:02.652
So when we talk about something like flexibility, we've all heard like you gotta be more flexible.

00:51:02.652 --> 00:51:04.056
That means a lot of things.

00:51:04.056 --> 00:51:04.824
I don't know what that means.

00:51:04.824 --> 00:51:09.817
So we have attraction where you're pulling away.

00:51:09.817 --> 00:51:11.771
That's a kind of flexibility.

00:51:11.771 --> 00:51:15.231
We also have our rotation that's a kind of flexibility.

00:51:15.231 --> 00:51:18.791
We also have compression that's a kind of flexibility.

00:51:18.791 --> 00:51:25.523
And so I I'll usually go through at least three different movements and really call to attention.

00:51:25.523 --> 00:51:27.188
Okay, do you feel a bone?

00:51:27.188 --> 00:51:28.815
Do you feel another bone?

00:51:28.815 --> 00:51:32.447
So in the example of you know, we could do something like a pigeon stretch.

00:51:32.447 --> 00:51:34.570
Can you feel your pelvis?

00:51:34.570 --> 00:51:35.833
Maybe not.

00:51:35.833 --> 00:51:37.777
Can you feel your leg bone?

00:51:37.777 --> 00:51:38.786
Also, maybe not.

00:51:38.786 --> 00:51:41.347
So it's's, it doesn't mean anything if you can't feel it.

00:51:41.347 --> 00:51:43.192
Some people can, some people information.

00:51:43.251 --> 00:51:50.684
Yeah right, yeah yeah but now can you feel that sensation and then we move to something else and it's like how is that different?

00:51:50.684 --> 00:51:52.452
Than the sensation we just felt.

00:51:52.452 --> 00:51:57.972
So, if you're doing a spinal rotation, yeah, that feels totally different than that tractioning stretch where we pulled apart.

00:51:58.012 --> 00:52:03.251
For sure, and so that starts to build a bit of a vocabulary, right, and it builds a bit of that knowledge.

00:52:03.251 --> 00:52:10.592
And then in between each of these, we lay down and we feel, okay, how does that feel different than before you started the exercise?

00:52:10.592 --> 00:52:13.454
That allows you to get a little bit of a blueprint for it.

00:52:13.454 --> 00:52:28.865
This is a more neutral body versus when I came in and I was all stressed and tense and my hips were quote unquote, tight, and so it's.

00:52:28.865 --> 00:52:30.809
You know, part of it is actually your neurology, it's your leg isn't maybe necessarily longer.

00:52:30.831 --> 00:52:34.579
Your spine isn't necessarily untwisted or whatever.

00:52:34.579 --> 00:52:37.226
It might be so, but it also might not be so.

00:52:37.226 --> 00:53:00.153
But what it does do is give you the capacity to actually start to develop a catalog, just like when we're learning music you learn your notes before you play an orchestra yeah, well, not me some people do some people I mean the way that we put it together typically, you know if you have to learn it from the bottom

00:53:00.494 --> 00:53:06.228
yeah we have to learn a little bit of what are you looking at, what are you feeling, what are you noticing?

00:53:06.228 --> 00:53:15.132
And the only way to do it, to get that, is to actually go through the process of doing it and and then you take that outside of class.

00:53:15.132 --> 00:53:20.695
Yeah, and it might only be once a day, you're like oh yeah, I noticed that spinal rotation.

00:53:21.125 --> 00:53:31.938
So the next time you reach for the door, handle all your dried out tissues that don't have it maybe function because you sit at a desk like this with your back muscles completely overstretched.

00:53:31.938 --> 00:53:33.347
Your core muscles aren't working.

00:53:33.347 --> 00:53:35.894
That you don't quote.

00:53:35.894 --> 00:53:37.016
Unquote throw your back out.

00:53:37.545 --> 00:53:39.353
It's literally just happened to my singer.

00:53:39.353 --> 00:53:40.760
Oh no, yeah.

00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:43.494
He says oh, I just hopped on my kid's snowboard.

00:53:43.494 --> 00:53:47.215
Andrew, if you're listening, brother, this episode is for you.

00:53:47.215 --> 00:53:51.880
Like you're not even 38.

00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:57.889
Oh yeah, and you threw your back because you hopped on a snowboard and went down Not even a hill.

00:53:57.889 --> 00:54:03.195
Oh no, like, he just sort of went on it in his yard, from what I understand, just like.

00:54:03.195 --> 00:54:08.686
But he'd not been doing like no prep, right.

00:54:08.686 --> 00:54:11.161
So it's like in my world that's expected.

00:54:11.282 --> 00:54:12.929
Yes, absolutely yeah, of course you got hurt.

00:54:13.150 --> 00:54:13.525
Yes, yes, Like.

00:54:13.525 --> 00:54:15.532
I would add, of course, I threw my back up.

00:54:26.144 --> 00:54:26.686
Yes, I would expect that too.

00:54:26.686 --> 00:54:27.126
I would expect that.

00:54:27.126 --> 00:54:42.559
So I think it's that might be a little bit more of an extreme situation, but if you develop a bit of that inner knowing of when your body feels okay, or even just I use the word blueprint, it's not a scientific word, but that blueprint for this is what my hips feel like when they have a little bit more capacity to move and to be.

00:54:43.164 --> 00:54:48.175
I don't like the word hip opening because again it kind of implies that it's a door and you just open the hip.

00:54:50.545 --> 00:54:51.550
Thank you so much.

00:54:52.264 --> 00:55:01.871
But what does that feel like when you've done that kind of yogic movement versus sitting at a desk all day, and we all kind of know that.

00:55:01.871 --> 00:55:04.164
So this isn't like a big reach for information.

00:55:04.164 --> 00:55:11.375
Like you know when you've been sitting in a car between Calgary and Vancouver that your hips feel like garbage when you stand up.

00:55:12.146 --> 00:55:12.909
It takes a minute.

00:55:14.786 --> 00:55:18.657
So I always talk about this in a very specific way.

00:55:18.657 --> 00:55:20.889
So if I have an object, we're going to use this.

00:55:21.130 --> 00:55:22.153
Oh yeah, these boys.

00:55:22.153 --> 00:55:22.755
That's beautiful.

00:55:22.755 --> 00:55:23.456
Look at those studs.

00:55:24.826 --> 00:55:26.492
So we can see that that has a shape.

00:55:26.492 --> 00:55:27.786
It has kind of a.

00:55:27.786 --> 00:55:29.771
It's not a black outline, but it's.

00:55:29.771 --> 00:55:31.836
It's the shape of something.

00:55:31.836 --> 00:55:41.668
Right, when we take that away and I say, mike, you know, describe to me the space where the mug was, it's, you know, describe to me the space where the mug was, it's a trip.

00:55:41.668 --> 00:55:48.277
And so that's what a lot of people are really experiencing is when we kind of say, okay, what do your hips feel like when they don't have all that compression and tension in it?

00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:50.304
We have nothing to wait against Right Right.

00:55:50.626 --> 00:56:03.273
And so it does take a specific kind of I mean, it really is mindfulness to be like okay, there's white space where the black space used to be One direction is still here in our hearts.

00:56:04.985 --> 00:56:06.331
We love you, boys, we love you.

00:56:06.545 --> 00:56:12.391
But that's where it really becomes super tempting to jump on the internet or start applying.

00:56:12.391 --> 00:56:23.590
You know, and I am a fan of weight training and load, but we have to be a little bit careful with just throwing load on a stressed body that's in pain, that's why, I don't do it.

00:56:23.590 --> 00:56:35.228
So we have to feel that white space to actually understand where those, where those safe movements are in the body and where we can actually start to work on programs that balance the body.

00:56:36.751 --> 00:56:37.512
And what does that?

00:56:37.512 --> 00:56:40.706
You know, what does that white space of I'm not in pain look like?

00:56:40.706 --> 00:56:50.077
Because we know what pain looks like and feels like, and we can describe it as sharp, it's hot, whatever, but just like, like Mike, what does your shoulder in neutral feel like?

00:56:52.164 --> 00:56:53.548
Until I get there right.

00:56:53.809 --> 00:57:01.467
Right, it's like until you actually have something to AB, right, I saw that all the time and that was it was even in my training today.

00:57:01.467 --> 00:57:09.032
I was just like I'm gonna see what it feels like to throw an olympic bar above my head without actually doing I didn't even think about it.

00:57:09.032 --> 00:57:14.373
I was just like, well, I know that I'm in an able enough uh state to be able to do this.

00:57:14.373 --> 00:57:31.733
And then I want to compare it to when I'm warmed up because I'm what you were talking about in prep for this I was like you know posture, because like I hadn't thrown a bar over my head for a long time, so I just muscle, snatch one up and I'm like that was uncomfortable and I felt like I felt like I was probably 20 years older than I am.

00:57:31.733 --> 00:57:34.425
Oh, I'm sitting here like my shoulders were just on fire.

00:57:34.425 --> 00:57:38.514
I'm like, wow, and it just affirmed this is why I do what I do.

00:57:38.514 --> 00:57:40.077
This is why I hit the bands.

00:57:40.117 --> 00:57:45.746
This is why I hit the wall this is why I hit all of the stuff long before I put any sort of resistance into it.

00:57:45.766 --> 00:57:50.865
So this sounds crazy, but really the biggest piece in posture is the load is from gravity.

00:57:50.865 --> 00:58:10.224
So you and I are sitting vertically standing is the same but there is all of the forces of gravity on my head and so much as we often think nothing is happening, a lot is happening right now, just to not flop over, and so that's where we actually are like.

00:58:10.224 --> 00:58:14.030
We need to understand more about what our posture feels like.

00:58:14.210 --> 00:58:32.168
Then it hurts yeah my back is scraping, yeah, um, and for a lot of us, because our hips are really compressed from all the sitting and the core muscles are not actually snagging load.

00:58:32.688 --> 00:58:49.099
That load ends up being in between the shoulders, either higher up or lower up, or in the neck right so it's up here and especially for producers and mix engineers, like and and any sort of audio, because like it's similar to like.

00:58:49.465 --> 00:59:11.021
I'm sure you've worked with a handful of of dental hygienists and the assistants yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes and you've got this like and guitar and guitarists, like that was another thing, like how do we, when you're talking about balance, how do we get this guy you know the guy that's sitting at the computer like this kind of thing for hours and hours and hours in love with what he's doing?

00:59:11.021 --> 00:59:16.068
And they won't, like we hit flow state and we don't even realize we haven't eaten for six hours.

00:59:16.088 --> 00:59:16.989
That's right, which I didn't realize.

00:59:16.989 --> 00:59:17.650
I hadn't eaten for six hours.

00:59:17.670 --> 00:59:23.534
That's right, which is awesome and yeah, the body is like oh boy, right, and now that's the normal, yeah Right.

00:59:23.534 --> 00:59:28.277
And the guitarist that's like riffing over here, but like the guitar is heavy.

00:59:29.259 --> 00:59:36.867
And I think the moment, the moment when we're doing the thing, isn't the time to quote, unquote, correct it or think about it Cause that's not real.

00:59:36.867 --> 00:59:47.451
You know, I've seen these magazine articles that are like every 15 minutes do I don't know insert a thing, and that's not real like I've had a corporate job I've not, you know, lived in the world.

00:59:47.492 --> 00:59:48.213
That's not real.

00:59:48.213 --> 01:00:05.815
So I think that for me the the advice that I give, and like it's boring, like stuff your mom would say, but you know give me the sexy answers Get up in the morning and do the thing, and so I get up at.

01:00:05.815 --> 01:00:15.389
I never thought I'd be a person that gets up at six in the morning, but I get up at six in the morning so that at six 30, I do a 45 minute thing and it keeps.

01:00:15.389 --> 01:00:20.518
It keeps the wheels on my car I don't have body pain.

01:00:21.226 --> 01:00:34.818
I sit with load in my hips but not compression and stress in my hips, my spine doesn't hurt and I'm at an age where people constantly are like it's supposed to be my destiny.

01:00:35.445 --> 01:00:36.869
You're supposed to be hurt.

01:00:36.869 --> 01:00:38.273
What's wrong with you Now?

01:00:38.273 --> 01:00:39.255
You're doing it wrong, right.

01:00:45.085 --> 01:00:45.887
And I do the same thing on Saturdays.

01:00:45.887 --> 01:00:46.972
I might get up a bit later but I still do the thing.

01:00:46.972 --> 01:00:49.902
So for me that's a 45 minute preventative maintenance on my physical and mental health.

01:00:49.902 --> 01:00:51.706
I'm checking in with my body.

01:00:51.706 --> 01:00:56.432
I'm not allowing my stress levels to get like cat on the ceiling.

01:00:56.432 --> 01:01:00.077
Um, I'm doing kind of therapeutic work.

01:01:00.077 --> 01:01:05.579
Um, cause for me I do enough like other physical activity in my day.

01:01:05.579 --> 01:01:15.786
So someone else might have a totally different program, um, but that that's where that sweet spot is and I understand not having 45 minutes.

01:01:15.786 --> 01:01:17.690
Start with 10, start with 15.

01:01:17.710 --> 01:01:20.155
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just do what you can.

01:01:20.155 --> 01:01:21.346
Like get, get in there.

01:01:21.346 --> 01:01:28.351
It's like, you know, we used to have the saying like for for the folks that were struggling to to get into a fitness routine.

01:01:28.351 --> 01:01:31.237
It's like start by you know, going to buy your shoes?

01:01:31.237 --> 01:01:33.807
Yes, just put them by the door the next day.

01:01:34.248 --> 01:01:45.213
Get your bag, put it by the door day four, you're probably out the door that's right, and I think, I think, think another thing that needs to be said is this isn't a willpower-based model.

01:01:45.213 --> 01:02:06.038
So when you actually connect with your body, you shouldn't need a whole bunch of willpower and discipline to do it, and it doesn't mean, for example, in my life I'm not super pumped every single day to do it, but I also am not like shooting myself mantras and I don't need to leave post-it notes on my mirror.

01:02:06.038 --> 01:02:12.818
So you know, I have one set of disciplines and one set of things that I do and teach people.

01:02:12.818 --> 01:02:25.333
There's others there's weightlifting might be your jam there's rowing, there's cycling, there's all kinds of things, and so I think it matters more that you find the thing that you love.

01:02:26.034 --> 01:02:46.918
Now you still might need to come see me if you're in pain to kind of work your way out of that, because I think you know I'm working in a little bit of a specialty area where I'm I'm infusing that mindfulness and the mental health piece with the trauma work and et cetera, and and using like a really specific skills set that actually is outside of typical personal training.

01:02:46.918 --> 01:03:18.972
But once you kind of get rebalanced which for you know again, it doesn't take that long Like if you think about spending a couple of months to practice a couple skills, that is life-changing for the rest of your life then go find the thing that you love to do and then you probably will never see me again and that's the thing is that people forget that if you, if you do get into the embodiment of your own body, every other aspect because your body is there in your life is going to get better.

01:03:19.012 --> 01:03:19.835
It's going to improve.

01:03:19.835 --> 01:03:21.606
It's going to improve your relationships.

01:03:21.606 --> 01:03:32.447
It's going to improve because if you're happier they're doing studies on this long, long time ago Like, if you're happier, you're generally more resilient because you realize that it's better.

01:03:32.447 --> 01:03:34.452
Like you're not focusing on you anymore.

01:03:34.452 --> 01:03:38.731
You're focusing on the goal or the people around you, and there's so much to be said about.

01:03:38.731 --> 01:03:44.068
Like having the physical body that can provide that as the vehicle right.

01:03:44.489 --> 01:03:58.750
I cannot state enough how derailing it is to be sick, to be in the hospital, to have pain, and everybody kind of knows that conceptually, but it doesn't.

01:03:58.750 --> 01:04:09.110
I mean, I think, a year of the stuff that I do to preventatively maintain myself the rest of your life right.

01:04:09.472 --> 01:04:12.568
Yeah, is worth all of the.

01:04:12.568 --> 01:04:27.695
You know I have clients who have invested hundreds, literally, of hours in the medical system and you know I understand why that can be a great solution, and it is for some things and some times.

01:04:27.695 --> 01:04:41.856
But there's also a lot of stuff where we shouldn't even actually be at our doctors in the first place, when a bunch of this is stuff that we, if we're not exercising and you're not even actually investing in it, and then expecting somebody else to fix it.

01:04:41.856 --> 01:04:43.400
It's a tough road.

01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:53.188
So I think it becomes a little bit of that like I don't have time to do it, but I also really don't have time to actually suffer the consequences of not doing it.

01:04:53.228 --> 01:05:00.556
You're going to be in a hospital for a lot longer, right, you're going to be bedridden for a lot longer if you don't, and how distracting it is.

01:05:00.675 --> 01:05:03.690
I mean if you're actually drumming in pain.

01:05:03.690 --> 01:05:06.878
That has got to be taking something away.

01:05:07.085 --> 01:05:10.195
I've done it and it is absolutely the worst.

01:05:10.195 --> 01:05:10.766
It's.

01:05:10.766 --> 01:05:24.192
It's such a, it's such a weird, because like it's something you love so much but you can't actually do it to the ability, yeah, so you get, you beat yourself up, yeah, and this is where I feel a lot.

01:05:24.192 --> 01:05:43.594
That's what I said is like it starts with a physical thing and that's usually because, like we'll know, our wrist is off or our elbows off, or maybe our knees clicking or something like that, and then the ankle goes and then like it's like everything falls apart and we still go out and try to play and do the thing, yeah, and it just like the train is off, the.

01:05:43.594 --> 01:05:46.340
It's like you're in the, you're in the ditch, you're done.

01:05:46.585 --> 01:05:51.445
I think it needs to be said to you that you don't need to ever love fitness.

01:05:51.445 --> 01:05:52.811
It does not need to be your passion.

01:05:52.811 --> 01:05:54.972
Your music can remain your passion.

01:05:54.972 --> 01:05:57.353
I'm somebody who comes from a background.

01:05:57.353 --> 01:05:59.871
I was terrible at all sports.

01:06:00.293 --> 01:06:00.775
I still am.

01:06:00.775 --> 01:06:05.554
Nothing about movement comes to me naturally.

01:06:05.554 --> 01:06:19.717
It is not like my life's passion in terms of, you know, I found my lane and I found what I love to do, but it's not something where I think that, like honestly, I think there's 15% of the population go to the gym.

01:06:19.717 --> 01:06:22.552
I think it's the statistic that I saw at one point.

01:06:22.552 --> 01:06:30.010
Um, that actually seems a little high statistic that I saw at one point.

01:06:30.030 --> 01:06:32.876
Um, that actually seems a little high, but uh, maybe it's 15% ownership membership, that's more accurate.

01:06:32.876 --> 01:06:33.177
So what that?

01:06:33.217 --> 01:06:36.849
means really yeah Right, um, 85% of people are just not.

01:06:36.849 --> 01:06:41.047
They're not connecting in with that as a solution, and so don't feel bad about that.

01:06:41.047 --> 01:06:44.936
And this, like everything we've talked about today, is a means to an end.

01:06:44.936 --> 01:06:46.219
It is not necessarily something that you have to be like.

01:06:46.219 --> 01:06:46.233
Whoa've talked about today is a means to an end.

01:06:46.233 --> 01:06:50.121
It is not necessarily something that you have to be like Whoa this is my life's hugest passion.

01:06:50.121 --> 01:07:00.014
You don't want to be in a place where you're like hating it and forcing yourself to do it, but you also don't ever need to be like wow, I just think this is the most amazing thing ever.

01:07:00.014 --> 01:07:05.615
So as long as you have like a certain window of tolerance where you can deal with it, do it.

01:07:05.615 --> 01:07:12.916
And it just kind of comes down to like you know, I don't love paying my power bill either, but I just Probably do it.

01:07:12.998 --> 01:07:13.498
I just do it.

01:07:13.518 --> 01:07:14.179
Yeah, just do it.

01:07:14.364 --> 01:07:17.474
I just do it because the consequences of not doing it are not.

01:07:17.474 --> 01:07:26.697
I could get away with it for a while probably, but at some point the reaper comes to reap, if you know what I mean.

01:07:26.697 --> 01:07:35.190
And so the body is the same way, like there's occasionally stories of somebody who kind of gets away with it, but it's not probably going to be.

01:07:35.190 --> 01:07:42.275
Most of us in the modern world and that's because we have a lot of most of us are not eating the highest quality foods available.

01:07:42.275 --> 01:07:43.570
Most of us are not sleeping enough.

01:07:43.704 --> 01:07:46.670
And we have like off the roof stress.

01:07:46.931 --> 01:07:53.210
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's wild, and it's all in this little device that we have in our hand 24 seven Doing it to ourselves.

01:07:53.210 --> 01:07:55.755
It's, it's, it's our own, it really is.

01:07:55.755 --> 01:07:58.568
It's just like the things that I I take away.

01:07:58.568 --> 01:08:03.097
Is that like, not everybody needs like when we talk about fitness and exercise.

01:08:03.117 --> 01:08:05.981
it's not go to the gym, that's not it, no, no, that's not what we're talking about.

01:08:06.001 --> 01:08:06.603
It doesn't need to be that.

01:08:06.603 --> 01:08:07.324
It doesn't need to be that.

01:08:07.324 --> 01:08:09.472
It's like get up and literally move.

01:08:09.713 --> 01:08:10.315
Yeah, yeah.

01:08:10.385 --> 01:08:14.184
Get up, stand up, go for a walk, go look at the sunset, Watch that yeah totally.

01:08:18.069 --> 01:08:18.751
Just get outside.

01:08:18.751 --> 01:08:27.724
Yeah, yeah, that's my favorite way is either getting out to the store and going to see some real people Yep, yep, right and then being like cool, and then I can be like the golden retriever.

01:08:27.724 --> 01:08:29.612
I am, that's right, hey, how was you today?

01:08:29.612 --> 01:08:31.030
And they're like who the fuck is this guy?

01:08:31.030 --> 01:08:42.630
And then I just walk the river path and then I get back in and I feel so much better and I'm so much more focused, like hands down 25-minute walk, just ripping around, and I come back in.

01:08:42.630 --> 01:08:49.997
It doesn't have to be warm, it doesn't have to be cold, it doesn't, I don't even care, it's just getting up and moving and then coming back and I'm on fire.

01:08:50.015 --> 01:08:55.440
I'm so much more productive, but you have a connection to your body where you can feel that and you actually understand the benefit of it.

01:08:55.440 --> 01:08:56.181
Yes, yes.

01:08:56.301 --> 01:08:57.042
I felt it today.

01:08:57.042 --> 01:09:00.588
I was like today's a gym day.

01:09:00.588 --> 01:09:04.034
I knew I feel my body needs something like that.

01:09:04.114 --> 01:09:09.032
But that didn't come from, so everything that we've talked about it doesn't come instantaneously.

01:09:09.244 --> 01:09:11.193
It's not from a TikTok hack.

01:09:11.345 --> 01:09:12.704
It's not from a two hour podcast.

01:09:12.704 --> 01:09:13.850
It's not from any of it.

01:09:13.850 --> 01:09:18.010
It's from doing it day in and day out, and day in and day out and knowing when I didn't get it?

01:09:18.051 --> 01:09:21.667
Yeah, because there were days when I was on tour that I wasn't able.

01:09:21.667 --> 01:09:25.630
I was completely unable to go and do the thing that I wanted and I felt it.

01:09:25.630 --> 01:09:31.233
It was wild on tour to the point where I would get up before the band and go run, and I'm not a runner.

01:09:31.233 --> 01:09:32.894
I was like I don't know what else to do.

01:09:32.894 --> 01:09:34.215
I'm going to have to go run, like I'm.

01:09:34.215 --> 01:09:41.880
And now I've got like a little travel pack and everything that I've developed and it's just like that saves me on the road and in the studio.

01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:46.063
I know not to sit for more than 45 minutes at all Like I'm up.

01:09:46.063 --> 01:09:51.328
That's why you see kettlebells all over the place.

01:09:51.328 --> 01:09:52.171
I've got like fitness equipment all over.

01:09:52.171 --> 01:09:52.693
I've got kettlebell here.

01:09:52.693 --> 01:09:53.898
I've got my skipping ropes over there, a little foam roller.

01:09:53.898 --> 01:09:56.488
I'm doing stuff while I'm doing stuff.

01:09:56.509 --> 01:10:00.286
There's no trainer in the world that would ever prescribe that program for you.

01:10:00.286 --> 01:10:11.877
So you have gotten that by doing the thing and testing it out and being curious and really applying the same things that any musician is going to to how they play music and how they approach all of it.

01:10:11.877 --> 01:10:18.912
You practice, you learn, you pick up a skill here and there, you try it out and that's the only way there is.

01:10:18.912 --> 01:10:20.787
I mean even the stuff.

01:10:20.787 --> 01:10:26.011
I tell my folks it's a starting point, it's not an ending point.

01:10:26.125 --> 01:10:34.139
And I actually I more or less refuse to give, like I do send people home with programs but I don't tell them how they have to do it.

01:10:34.139 --> 01:10:36.032
Like you know, I get questions a lot.

01:10:36.032 --> 01:10:38.153
Do I do this over the course of an hour?

01:10:39.145 --> 01:10:41.194
People need the compartmentalization.

01:10:41.194 --> 01:10:42.427
They just need to do this.

01:10:42.689 --> 01:10:43.029
You have.

01:10:43.029 --> 01:10:51.751
You have supervised opportunities with me to fail and to try things and to see what works and to pick even of the exercises I'm giving you here.

01:10:51.751 --> 01:10:54.213
This feels useful, this one I didn't do, okay.

01:10:54.595 --> 01:10:56.738
Good, cool, yeah, all good answers.

01:10:56.818 --> 01:11:04.137
Right, All great answers, and so that's that's really what we're looking at when it comes to posture.

01:11:04.137 --> 01:11:09.773
That's, that's part of a whole road of self agency about your body.

01:11:09.773 --> 01:11:33.485
So, yeah, I mean, I guess we could talk about how quote, quote, how to fix your posture, but how you fix your posture you and I fixed our posture a thousand times during this episode and it's just like and it's still right, and it's, and it's just it's just listening to our bodies and responding to feedback and making those adjustments because we have that practice.

01:11:34.087 --> 01:11:39.016
But mechanically you are going to have to probably look at your hips.

01:11:39.016 --> 01:11:51.694
If you're, if they're, compressed from all the sitting, 99% chance that there is reality in terms of your actual biomechanics in there, same thing with your core muscles.

01:11:51.694 --> 01:11:59.613
So your actual like stabilizer muscles from the base of your spine to the top of your skull.

01:11:59.613 --> 01:12:03.631
Yeah, you're gonna have to probably look at those and and learn.

01:12:03.650 --> 01:12:12.444
You know a couple muscle, a couple of muscle names a couple of bone names and a lot of body sensation stuff so that you can make those adjustments.

01:12:12.444 --> 01:12:16.145
And those adjustments don't need to be done when you're actually doing what you love.

01:12:16.145 --> 01:12:18.835
It can just be like you gave the greatest example ever.

01:12:18.835 --> 01:12:21.411
It's like fine, and I do the same thing.

01:12:21.411 --> 01:12:24.837
Find the balance outside of like I couldn't.

01:12:24.837 --> 01:12:29.475
I couldn't adjust my posture when I'm at work with a client, trying to read their body and have conversation and do all that.

01:12:29.475 --> 01:12:33.653
So the time I do that is outside of my craft.

01:12:33.853 --> 01:12:36.056
Yep, Yep, I completely agree.

01:12:36.056 --> 01:12:40.109
That's um, this has been super, super good, as I've noticed.

01:12:40.109 --> 01:12:44.136
I'm like I even pulled these chairs out for anybody watching.

01:12:44.136 --> 01:12:47.100
You'll notice the lounge chairs.

01:12:47.100 --> 01:12:50.895
I was like, well, I'm bringing the posture queen on here.

01:12:50.895 --> 01:12:53.373
I don't know if I should leave the.

01:12:53.373 --> 01:12:55.671
Those are just brutal.

01:12:55.671 --> 01:13:01.315
And that's the thing is that people, it's glorified to have the furniture and stuff.

01:13:01.315 --> 01:13:05.814
If I didn't do a podcast, I guarantee none of this furniture would be in my house.

01:13:05.814 --> 01:13:10.091
I promise that that chair only because it was like my opahs.

01:13:10.091 --> 01:13:12.176
Aw, that's very cute.

01:13:12.238 --> 01:13:17.554
Yeah, like I remember, like there's a first picture of me sitting on my grandparents' lap right there.

01:13:17.614 --> 01:13:19.056
I'm like, oh yeah, my mom's like you want that.

01:13:19.056 --> 01:13:20.420
I was like, yes, yeah, I do.

01:13:20.420 --> 01:13:26.546
Are you kidding me?

01:13:26.546 --> 01:13:26.746
Heck yeah.

01:13:26.746 --> 01:13:27.908
She's like, oh, so yeah, I mean, that's, that's the only time.

01:13:27.908 --> 01:13:30.817
Or if I'm sitting, I'm, I even pull the chair out, right, and I'll do a lot of standing work.

01:13:30.817 --> 01:13:33.515
It's nice to have two levels and there's there's so many ways to do it.

01:13:33.515 --> 01:13:39.990
It's just whether or not you're going to commit to it and like think long game, cause it's not sexy.

01:13:40.110 --> 01:13:46.659
A thousand percent, and I think actually probably the best advice that I have is do one thing and try it for three months.

01:13:47.041 --> 01:13:47.301
Yeah.

01:13:47.885 --> 01:14:01.511
Because that, a lot of the stuff I see, and I think it's part of why the the the long form doctor podcast it just can make me crazy, because they want to give value and so they're telling you 72 things to do.

01:14:01.853 --> 01:14:02.293
Overwhelming.

01:14:02.453 --> 01:14:04.233
You can't so and do one thing, not sexy advice.

01:14:04.233 --> 01:14:06.810
But if you can't so and do one thing, not sexy advice.

01:14:06.810 --> 01:14:14.813
But if you don't limit it to kind of one thing, you won't even know if you like it or if it, if you can make it work or if it's effective Now.

01:14:14.813 --> 01:14:18.431
That said, if you're not doing it, don't wait three months to try something else.

01:14:19.367 --> 01:14:19.989
I'm not doing it.

01:14:19.989 --> 01:14:21.970
Got next quarter.

01:14:22.244 --> 01:14:29.909
It's day off right school's out, um, but it also gives you the chance to kind of duck in and out.

01:14:29.909 --> 01:14:33.944
So progress when it looks, when we look at, like any kind of habit development.

01:14:33.944 --> 01:14:37.453
It's not, you're not gonna hit a hundred percent, it's not like this, guys.

01:14:37.514 --> 01:14:41.929
It's like, it's like it's like it sort of goes over the place, all over the place.

01:14:41.929 --> 01:14:43.490
Yeah, so over the place, all over the place.

01:14:43.810 --> 01:14:45.412
So, yeah, I mean, that's my best.

01:14:45.412 --> 01:14:51.819
Advice is if you want to dive into any of this, start very small.

01:14:52.801 --> 01:14:54.608
Yeah, minimum dose.

01:14:54.608 --> 01:14:56.833
Yes, very minimum.

01:14:56.833 --> 01:15:02.255
Yes, all right, before we quit, on this whole, this has been so much information.

01:15:02.255 --> 01:15:04.118
I need to ask the rapid fire questions.

01:15:04.118 --> 01:15:06.689
These are straight off the cuff here.

01:15:06.689 --> 01:15:11.346
Uh, first record, what was the first record you ever got, or album?

01:15:11.367 --> 01:15:13.291
oh, my god, are we, are we making?

01:15:13.350 --> 01:15:16.318
me disclose my age is that no, no, no, not at all.

01:15:16.318 --> 01:15:29.930
I mean I said record because like I remember being a kid, like my parents would always play records, so like it was always in my oh I was, it's all cassette tapes yes, those were also okay the um the walkman, the first one.

01:15:30.211 --> 01:15:36.247
Yes, I was yellow oh yeah, me too little, sony, so good.

01:15:36.247 --> 01:15:43.336
So the first tape that was ever mine that I didn't share with anybody else.

01:15:43.336 --> 01:15:44.657
This was a big thing.

01:15:44.657 --> 01:15:48.282
It was a glass tiger thin red line what?

01:15:49.465 --> 01:15:50.851
Holy guacamole.

01:15:51.545 --> 01:15:52.608
And I still actually.

01:15:52.608 --> 01:15:56.716
They came to Calgary a couple years ago and I went when are they from?

01:15:56.716 --> 01:15:58.019
Somewhere in Canada.

01:15:58.284 --> 01:16:02.752
Yeah, I thought it was like yeah, Toronto or Vancouver, they were a Canadian crew.

01:16:03.164 --> 01:16:09.336
I went to the show at the Grey Eagle Casino, which is not a venue that I recommend for anything.

01:16:09.545 --> 01:16:10.751
I have to play that.

01:16:10.751 --> 01:16:14.395
I had to play that a couple times with the Frontiers.

01:16:15.867 --> 01:16:16.609
It's a solid no.

01:16:16.609 --> 01:16:18.530
But what did happen?

01:16:18.530 --> 01:16:29.885
I was like, wow, I literally can't remember what to do for my emails or like 99% of my life, just you know overwhelmed brain happening.

01:16:29.885 --> 01:16:33.034
But I remember every word of the thin red line.

01:16:33.034 --> 01:16:37.173
Let me tell you it's in there, if you, if you get me in a room.

01:16:37.545 --> 01:16:37.845
Music.

01:16:37.845 --> 01:16:39.685
That's the thing I mean.

01:16:39.685 --> 01:16:54.451
We could have a whole episode two and three on the power of music and memory and retention, and that's something I'm sure people, if you're having a hard time, especially with you know being not as proficient in body mechanics put some music on.

01:16:54.451 --> 01:16:58.146
That's true, that's true, and that music will help tune you in.

01:16:58.146 --> 01:16:59.469
You'll remember more.

01:16:59.469 --> 01:17:01.251
There's lots of studies on that.

01:17:01.292 --> 01:17:12.536
Yeah, one of the things I actually play in my, in my classes, is um songs we all know, but it's the instrumental version of it.

01:17:12.536 --> 01:17:23.805
Yes, and it's wild because you can totally turn it out, or there's times when you're like I know every word of this yeah, yeah it's cool, uh, and I do want to save myself and tell you because it's a little higher quality.

01:17:23.805 --> 01:17:25.569
No offense to glass tiger.

01:17:25.569 --> 01:17:31.363
My second one was was uh, was you too, rattle and hum and like beautiful album.

01:17:31.382 --> 01:17:38.056
Yes, oh my goodness, yes, okay not to say that thin red line isn't like a live classic it's also great.

01:17:38.136 --> 01:17:39.019
It's just that can't.

01:17:39.019 --> 01:17:42.574
That was in the era of platinum blonde oh yeah, tiger and uh, lover boy.

01:17:42.574 --> 01:17:42.695
Yep, I.

01:17:42.695 --> 01:17:45.344
So two of the buddies, Platinum Blonde Class Tiger and Loverboy.

01:17:45.524 --> 01:17:45.725
Yep.

01:17:46.426 --> 01:18:01.818
So two of the buddies, like, we'll have Jay on and we'll have Dan, We'll get a couple of those big heavyweights of that era.

01:18:01.818 --> 01:18:04.211
Nice, I'll have you all fangirling all over him.

01:18:04.211 --> 01:18:05.033
Oh my goodness.

01:18:09.185 --> 01:18:10.429
Oh, my God, god yeah that's amazing.

01:18:10.448 --> 01:18:10.829
Well they're.

01:18:10.829 --> 01:18:21.231
It's great music it's, but you too, that's a, that's a classic oh yeah, that was one of the best albums ever, I think um, one more in the theme of music, of course.

01:18:21.231 --> 01:18:25.717
Uh, the the thing like what show what?

01:18:25.717 --> 01:18:30.148
What is your favorite like way to go experience music Is it?

01:18:30.148 --> 01:18:31.431
Is it festival type thing?

01:18:31.431 --> 01:18:32.154
Is it live music?

01:18:32.154 --> 01:18:32.935
Is it orchestras?

01:18:32.935 --> 01:18:33.445
Like what is it?

01:18:34.788 --> 01:18:45.856
That's a really good question, Um, so I don't know if you know this about me but, I actually, uh, in my, in my childhood, until I was in university, I was a singer.

01:18:45.856 --> 01:18:49.909
Did you know that there's gotta be a button?

01:18:49.909 --> 01:18:56.757
There's gotta be a yeah.

01:18:57.185 --> 01:18:59.873
Why didn't you tell me that until now I had no idea?

01:18:59.873 --> 01:19:00.175
Okay.

01:19:00.904 --> 01:19:03.932
Can't reveal everything all in a decade and a half.

01:19:04.775 --> 01:19:07.911
Goodness, talk about long game.

01:19:08.051 --> 01:19:08.252
Right.

01:19:09.487 --> 01:19:12.774
Gotta commit to Janice forever to learn.

01:19:12.774 --> 01:19:14.015
What else am I going to learn?

01:19:14.015 --> 01:19:14.556
I don't know.

01:19:14.556 --> 01:19:15.279
10 more years.

01:19:15.664 --> 01:19:17.057
Do you like how I just slid that one in there?

01:19:17.402 --> 01:19:17.704
By the way.

01:19:20.251 --> 01:19:37.587
Yeah, so I did that for a lot of years of my life and so I actually care about acoustics when I listen to music and so while I think it can be fun, I mean I I spent a lot of money and time and years at various venues.

01:19:37.587 --> 01:19:38.310
In toronto.

01:19:38.310 --> 01:19:47.617
You know the tea party oh yeah, I need franco and just every, every, all the people and all the little junkie bars and clubs and everything.

01:19:47.617 --> 01:19:57.967
I'm at a place where I really I really value the space and the acoustics and actually I would say probably my favorite place to see a show is the Taylor center at Mount.

01:19:57.988 --> 01:20:01.194
Royal University Incredible acoustics.

01:20:01.274 --> 01:20:02.317
Yeah, wow.

01:20:02.317 --> 01:20:15.072
And then you know, the Jubilee is great, and so is Jack singer, but yes, if you were going to say that you just gifted me my favorite band and my favorite space it would be the Taylor center and glass.

01:20:15.072 --> 01:20:17.597
You know what?

01:20:17.597 --> 01:20:24.095
I would go see glass tiger If they came to Taylor center.

01:20:24.095 --> 01:20:25.439
That's amazing.

01:20:29.284 --> 01:20:30.948
Okay, well, putting it out there for another reunion tour.

01:20:30.969 --> 01:20:39.332
right, we're gonna make that happen, and I also have a strong fondness right now for bands and musicians that play with the orchestra.

01:20:39.472 --> 01:20:45.583
So when brad kissel was here with the philharmonic, I was like okay, I am actually getting myself a front row seat.

01:20:45.644 --> 01:20:59.890
Yeah, that was one of the most beautiful concerts I've ever seen, because he shared that that was his childhood dream and you could tell from his body language and, yeah, and his face he's such a good dude oh my god, such a good dude I was like.

01:20:59.890 --> 01:21:04.652
This is one of the best things I've ever seen yeah, he was like a boy on the stage, yeah.

01:21:04.652 --> 01:21:05.354
It was incredible.

01:21:10.145 --> 01:21:10.425
Yeah so.

01:21:10.546 --> 01:21:16.555
I uh, yeah, if we're going to put it out there, we're going to get glass tiger and the fill at the Taylor's.

01:21:16.555 --> 01:21:16.895
Oh, my God.

01:21:16.975 --> 01:21:23.815
Yes, please, oh, that is what do we say about the words Right, yeah, the words that you just spelled that out, that's perfect.

01:21:23.815 --> 01:21:35.444
Um, I can specific, yeah, exactly, yeah, very specific, not just anybody, all right amazing um, the I I can share with you.

01:21:35.463 --> 01:21:38.712
The first time I saw, uh, I had always wanted to.

01:21:38.712 --> 01:21:49.711
That would be a dream of mine too to be able to play with an orchestra, like, because in jazz band, even in in chest mirror, uh, I was the spearheading the movement of like bringing rock songs into our.

01:21:49.711 --> 01:21:51.814
I'm like, hey, we'll transcribe it.

01:21:51.814 --> 01:21:58.667
Can we play some of these songs that we really know and love, like we're talking like limp biscuit, right, that's cool and it was super cool.

01:21:58.667 --> 01:22:05.774
We, we only did probably half of the ones that we had dreamed up, but that like set the stage for my, my dream or visionary.

01:22:05.774 --> 01:22:14.878
And when I first saw Chantel Kravitz, isaac, play with the Phil, yeah, oh my God, it was wild.

01:22:14.878 --> 01:22:17.310
It was like I didn't even know she had that many hits.

01:22:17.310 --> 01:22:19.569
I was just like, oh my God, I love her even more.

01:22:20.284 --> 01:22:28.792
I actually want to toss another Calgary venue on the table because I forgot for a second and I don't even know how I forgot but Studio Bell.

01:22:29.947 --> 01:22:31.672
How do we not talk about Studio Bell?

01:22:31.725 --> 01:22:32.792
Brings in, I mean.

01:22:33.114 --> 01:22:33.497
Oh yeah.

01:22:33.497 --> 01:22:34.966
So, I saw.

01:22:35.025 --> 01:22:43.378
Chantal Kravjevic and Rain Maida there, and that was another strong highlight, because Studio Bell is bringing in the.

01:22:43.378 --> 01:22:45.451
They're not playing, and then they.

01:22:45.451 --> 01:22:46.925
It's just such a tiny space.

01:22:46.925 --> 01:22:49.474
I wouldn't even say that their acoustics in the theater are.

01:22:49.826 --> 01:22:50.488
No, it's not.

01:22:50.689 --> 01:22:56.275
awesome Are exceptional but the it's exceptional to be in an audience of 250 people in.

01:22:57.085 --> 01:22:59.613
With two living legends of Canadian music.

01:22:59.613 --> 01:23:00.525
Yeah so.

01:23:00.806 --> 01:23:07.435
I love going to the shows over there because they're always they're often affiliated with the halls of fame and whatnot.

01:23:07.536 --> 01:23:09.110
Yeah, home away from home for me.

01:23:09.244 --> 01:23:13.453
Our Lady Peace is odd to me because I'm like I love them more today than I did.

01:23:13.994 --> 01:23:14.796
Same yeah.

01:23:14.796 --> 01:23:17.604
Back then they're like the legacy band for me, yeah.

01:23:17.864 --> 01:23:23.698
So I love their family and their marriage and their connection, at least from the outside.

01:23:23.698 --> 01:23:29.877
But they're great to the fans, they talk to people and they do meet and greets and they keep coming through town, yeah, yeah.

01:23:30.625 --> 01:23:31.961
They're super kind, both of them too.

01:23:31.980 --> 01:23:32.324
Yeah, they are.

01:23:32.546 --> 01:23:33.891
They're just the nicest humans.

01:23:33.891 --> 01:23:39.115
Sarah McLachlan I saw her for her induction and she's just straight up down to earth.

01:23:39.155 --> 01:23:46.849
Yeah, she's amazing too, she's just like, oh hey, what are you doing?

01:23:46.849 --> 01:23:48.233
Yeah, you're sarah mclaughlin, that's cool those are.

01:23:48.252 --> 01:23:49.337
Those are some strong working canadian musicians.

01:23:49.337 --> 01:23:57.225
But that's the thing and and if we want to tie a big old bow on this, it's like it's that progressive rep and it's like they got in tune with, like literally their own instrument.

01:23:57.225 --> 01:23:59.711
100 like this is the one right.

01:23:59.711 --> 01:24:01.014
But if you look at, them too?

01:24:01.033 --> 01:24:07.774
yeah, I assume that they are working on their body for sure, because their posture and the way that they move.

01:24:07.774 --> 01:24:11.774
Sarah McLachlan in particular, you know she's got this fluidity of movement.

01:24:11.774 --> 01:24:15.283
That didn't just happen by magic because she's in her 50s, yeah.

01:24:16.568 --> 01:24:17.069
It's wild.

01:24:17.069 --> 01:24:18.213
Yeah, it's absolutely wild.

01:24:18.485 --> 01:24:19.970
So that's you know.

01:24:19.970 --> 01:24:31.846
There's no doubt in my mind that that's part of their, that's part of how they're actually still on the road and touring and still all the amazing things that they do, yeah have the energy that they do and it goes to show.

01:24:31.907 --> 01:24:35.904
It's like that energy, it's, it's movement, it goes back into your creative expression.

01:24:35.904 --> 01:24:37.390
They, they play off of each other.

01:24:37.390 --> 01:24:39.238
We've seen that time and time again.

01:24:39.238 --> 01:24:41.405
So, listen, this has been awesome.

01:24:41.405 --> 01:24:44.554
Want to honor your time, though, we're coming up on the big old 90.

01:24:44.554 --> 01:24:47.807
So look at that, our fire is actually going to.

01:24:47.807 --> 01:24:52.176
It's getting low light now Look out, we've got shadows.

01:24:52.237 --> 01:24:53.019
We do, we do.

01:24:54.228 --> 01:24:54.791
Time to go.

01:24:54.791 --> 01:25:05.095
Where can people find out more about what you're doing and what are you currently up to, and is there anything on the horizon that we can get excited about?

01:25:05.095 --> 01:25:11.972
Well, you should definitely be excited just about the opportunity.

01:25:12.113 --> 01:25:13.997
My business name is my body couture.

01:25:13.997 --> 01:25:21.560
I'm on 17th avenue in calgary yeah, um, in the devonish building, and it is three words it's my m?

01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:22.502
Y body, b?

01:25:22.502 --> 01:25:23.524
O d y couture.

01:25:23.524 --> 01:25:25.109
C-o-u-t-u-r-e.

01:25:25.109 --> 01:25:31.990
So I'm at thecom and any spaces on social media where I'm interacting it's the same name.

01:25:31.990 --> 01:25:42.521
So you can follow me, engage, do all the things, but, of course, come in and see me Hit you with the three best things to do in Calgary.

01:25:42.563 --> 01:25:47.475
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally three things to get a stunning chiseled physique like Rain Maida.

01:25:47.896 --> 01:25:48.337
That's right.

01:25:48.824 --> 01:25:50.744
And Sarah McLachlan with the swimming shoulders.

01:25:50.905 --> 01:25:54.670
Look like yeah, my next program's going to be look like Chantal Krabiezik.

01:25:55.953 --> 01:25:56.536
Three tips.

01:25:56.845 --> 01:25:58.212
I'm sure she'll appreciate that.

01:26:00.367 --> 01:26:00.989
Hey, you know.

01:26:01.225 --> 01:26:04.034
She probably would, but I've never worked with her, so that would be.

01:26:06.806 --> 01:26:07.189
That part.

01:26:07.229 --> 01:26:09.743
she wouldn't Something about that feels off.

01:26:09.762 --> 01:26:10.164
Yeah, awesome.

01:26:10.164 --> 01:26:16.613
Okay, so then people can work with you in person here in town, which is great because Calgary is a music city.

01:26:16.613 --> 01:26:19.452
So we'll make sure we get all that up into.

01:26:19.452 --> 01:26:21.055
We've got your guest page.

01:26:21.055 --> 01:26:23.332
We'll attach that to the episode.

01:26:23.332 --> 01:26:26.574
Everybody can find you, track you down, get to working with you.

01:26:26.574 --> 01:26:40.457
One final question I know you already gave us so much knowledge and I appreciate it If we could sum it up into one final super secret to success for the independent musician out there.

01:26:40.457 --> 01:26:41.060
What would that be?

01:26:41.564 --> 01:26:44.314
Your body is a practice, just like your music.

01:26:47.864 --> 01:26:49.148
Ladies and gentlemen, that's your episode title.

01:26:49.148 --> 01:26:55.082
No kidding, boom, that's like I wish I had the sound of a mic dropping, but I don't.

01:26:55.082 --> 01:27:01.145
I don't have any of that, but I definitely do just to.

01:27:01.145 --> 01:27:02.126
To round this one out